21-3A -Fight for 2nd place Spot- Running From Yates!!!

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1228768" timestamp="1338927520"]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100336.msg1228767#msg1228767 date=1338927099]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228761#msg1228761 date=1338926799]
Apparently, they were deemed eligible after sitting out from varsity competition for one calendar year. They sat out while playing junior varsity. NOW they are eligible without question. No further discussion needed.
[/quote]

TRANSLATION- They are NOT homegrown but I have to find ways to say it so it doesnt look like I said something that was not true.
[/quote]

And I will ask you, Mr. Nash, as you have [b]verifiable[/b] close ties to the coaching staff at Hardin-Jefferson, how many years did the young man who came in from Beaumont have to sit out before playing varsity for the Hawks?
[/quote]
He didn't...pays to have "connections" within the cozy confines of the UIL. ::)

[WOSgrad]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1228769" timestamp="1338927624"]
[quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1228768#msg1228768 date=1338927520]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100336.msg1228767#msg1228767 date=1338927099]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228761#msg1228761 date=1338926799]
Apparently, they were deemed eligible after sitting out from varsity competition for one calendar year. They sat out while playing junior varsity. NOW they are eligible without question. No further discussion needed.
[/quote]

TRANSLATION- They are NOT homegrown but I have to find ways to say it so it doesnt look like I said something that was not true.
[/quote]

And I will ask you, Mr. Nash, as you have [b]verifiable[/b] close ties to the coaching staff at Hardin-Jefferson, how many years did the young man who came in from Beaumont have to sit out before playing varsity for the Hawks?
[/quote]
He didn't...pays to have "connections" within the cozy confines of the UIL. ::)
[/quote]

And what connections are those?

[Dick Vitale]

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[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228769#msg1228769 date=1338927624]
[quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1228768#msg1228768 date=1338927520]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100336.msg1228767#msg1228767 date=1338927099]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228761#msg1228761 date=1338926799]
Apparently, they were deemed eligible after sitting out from varsity competition for one calendar year. They sat out while playing junior varsity. NOW they are eligible without question. No further discussion needed.
[/quote]

TRANSLATION- They are NOT homegrown but I have to find ways to say it so it doesnt look like I said something that was not true.
[/quote]

And I will ask you, Mr. Nash, as you have [b]verifiable[/b] close ties to the coaching staff at Hardin-Jefferson, how many years did the young man who came in from Beaumont have to sit out before playing varsity for the Hawks?
[/quote]
He didn't...pays to have "connections" within the cozy confines of the UIL. ::)
[/quote]

And what connections are those?
[/quote]
They know who I am referring to..You have to be "connected" to even know about it.... ;)
WOS, I know the Yates kids were under a LOT of scrutiny, and the ones that transferred to Yates were inspected with a fine tooth comb...They were made to play JV in order to eliminate any thought of wrong doing. They have done so..Ironically they had ZERO transfers during the 2011-12 school year..Not one...Let some posters tell it, they have them EVERY YEAR..This is a fallacy.

[WOSgrad]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1228775" timestamp="1338928108"]
[quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1228772#msg1228772 date=1338927881]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228769#msg1228769 date=1338927624]
[quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1228768#msg1228768 date=1338927520]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100336.msg1228767#msg1228767 date=1338927099]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228761#msg1228761 date=1338926799]
Apparently, they were deemed eligible after sitting out from varsity competition for one calendar year. They sat out while playing junior varsity. NOW they are eligible without question. No further discussion needed.
[/quote]

TRANSLATION- They are NOT homegrown but I have to find ways to say it so it doesnt look like I said something that was not true.
[/quote]

And I will ask you, Mr. Nash, as you have [b]verifiable[/b] close ties to the coaching staff at Hardin-Jefferson, how many years did the young man who came in from Beaumont have to sit out before playing varsity for the Hawks?
[/quote]
He didn't...pays to have "connections" within the cozy confines of the UIL. ::)
[/quote]

And what connections are those?
[/quote]
They know who I am referring to..You have to be "connected" to even know about it.... ;)
WOS, I know the Yates kids were under a LOT of scrutiny, and the ones that transferred to Yates were inspected with a fine tooth comb...They were made to play JV in order to eliminate any thought of wrong doing. They have done so..Ironically they had ZERO transfers during the 2011-12 school year..Not one...Let some posters tell it, they have them EVERY YEAR..This is a fallacy.
[/quote]

No, I don't know. Enlighten me.

By the way, I still have heard from you what provision of Chapter 440 did the players that had to "sit out" did not meet.

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1228776" timestamp="1338928243"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228775#msg1228775 date=1338928108]
[quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1228772#msg1228772 date=1338927881]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228769#msg1228769 date=1338927624]
[quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1228768#msg1228768 date=1338927520]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100336.msg1228767#msg1228767 date=1338927099]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228761#msg1228761 date=1338926799]
Apparently, they were deemed eligible after sitting out from varsity competition for one calendar year. They sat out while playing junior varsity. NOW they are eligible without question. No further discussion needed.
[/quote]

TRANSLATION- They are NOT homegrown but I have to find ways to say it so it doesnt look like I said something that was not true.
[/quote]

And I will ask you, Mr. Nash, as you have [b]verifiable[/b] close ties to the coaching staff at Hardin-Jefferson, how many years did the young man who came in from Beaumont have to sit out before playing varsity for the Hawks?
[/quote]
He didn't...pays to have "connections" within the cozy confines of the UIL. ::)
[/quote]

And what connections are those?
[/quote]
They know who I am referring to..You have to be "connected" to even know about it.... ;)
WOS, I know the Yates kids were under a LOT of scrutiny, and the ones that transferred to Yates were inspected with a fine tooth comb...They were made to play JV in order to eliminate any thought of wrong doing. They have done so..Ironically they had ZERO transfers during the 2011-12 school year..Not one...Let some posters tell it, they have them EVERY YEAR..This is a fallacy.
[/quote]

No, I don't know. Enlighten me.

By the way, I still have heard from you what provision of Chapter 440 did the players that had to "sit out" did not meet.
[/quote]
It was the established one year residence requirement, from what I understand.  The two kids in question now live in the Yates (HISD) attendance zone, but had to establish residency there for one calendar year. They have now satisfied it. Done.

[stevenash]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1228769" timestamp="1338927624"]
[quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1228768#msg1228768 date=1338927520]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100336.msg1228767#msg1228767 date=1338927099]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228761#msg1228761 date=1338926799]
Apparently, they were deemed eligible after sitting out from varsity competition for one calendar year. They sat out while playing junior varsity. NOW they are eligible without question. No further discussion needed.
[/quote]

TRANSLATION- They are NOT homegrown but I have to find ways to say it so it doesnt look like I said something that was not true.
[/quote]

And I will ask you, Mr. Nash, as you have [b]verifiable[/b] close ties to the coaching staff at Hardin-Jefferson, how many years did the young man who came in from Beaumont have to sit out before playing varsity for the Hawks?
[/quote]
He didn't...pays to have "connections" within the cozy confines of the UIL. ::)
[/quote]

He began attending the school in the spring of the prior year after his parents established a residency there.  One kid in 5 or 6 years is not significant in comparison to other programs.  I have asked you before and I ask you again- Rather than simply spount innuendos, please specify what "special coziness" exists between the UIL and HJ and how does HJ use that alleged coziness to their advantage.  You arent going to get away with this garbage as easily as you think you are.

[WOSgrad]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1228780" timestamp="1338928574"]
[quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1228776#msg1228776 date=1338928243]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228775#msg1228775 date=1338928108]
[quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1228772#msg1228772 date=1338927881]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228769#msg1228769 date=1338927624]
[quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1228768#msg1228768 date=1338927520]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100336.msg1228767#msg1228767 date=1338927099]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228761#msg1228761 date=1338926799]
Apparently, they were deemed eligible after sitting out from varsity competition for one calendar year. They sat out while playing junior varsity. NOW they are eligible without question. No further discussion needed.
[/quote]

TRANSLATION- They are NOT homegrown but I have to find ways to say it so it doesnt look like I said something that was not true.
[/quote]

And I will ask you, Mr. Nash, as you have [b]verifiable[/b] close ties to the coaching staff at Hardin-Jefferson, how many years did the young man who came in from Beaumont have to sit out before playing varsity for the Hawks?
[/quote]
He didn't...pays to have "connections" within the cozy confines of the UIL. ::)
[/quote]

And what connections are those?
[/quote]
They know who I am referring to..You have to be "connected" to even know about it.... ;)
WOS, I know the Yates kids were under a LOT of scrutiny, and the ones that transferred to Yates were inspected with a fine tooth comb...They were made to play JV in order to eliminate any thought of wrong doing. They have done so..Ironically they had ZERO transfers during the 2011-12 school year..Not one...Let some posters tell it, they have them EVERY YEAR..This is a fallacy.
[/quote]

No, I don't know. Enlighten me.

By the way, I still have heard from you what provision of Chapter 440 did the players that had to "sit out" did not meet.
[/quote]
It was the established one year residence requirement, from what I understand.  The two kids in question now live in the Yates (HISD) attendance zone, but had to establish residency there for one calendar year. They have now satisfied it. Done.
[/quote]

Now, according to Chapter 440, a kid would be ineligible for varsity activities for a year is if:  1) they attended a school which wasn't in the attendance zone in their parents reside, 2) they transferred from a school in a district where there is no zoning amongst the multiple schools and the young man (or woman) has transferred from one school to another or 3) were deemed to have transferred for athletic purposes.

http://www.uiltexas.org/files/constitution/uil-ccr-subchapter-m.pdf

Now, instance No. 2 does not apply to HISD as their schools do have defined attendance zones, according to their policy:

http://www.houstonisd.org/HISDConnectDS/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=6e8c6f556befc010VgnVCM10000052147fa6RCRD&vgnextchannel=6ff3f0a53cf2b210VgnVCM10000028147fa6RCRD

And in fact, here is the HISD map for Jack Yates High:

http://dept.houstonisd.org/ab/SchoolBoundaryMaps/yatesHS.pdf

So my question is:  Did those that have to sit out have parents who live outside of the attendance zone of Yates or were the young men deemed by their district's executive committee to have transferred for athletic purposes?

[stevenash]

Until someone returns his call, you probably wont get an answer unless it is one that simply refers to the "cozy confines of the UIL.

[Honest Abe]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1228749" timestamp="1338925979"]
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I think Silsbee will get first crack at Yates (cause I think Silsbee will win district, but will not be surprised if they didn't). I would look forward to that match up. Curious to see how the Tigers stack up against the Lions.

I do know this, if Silsbee were to beat Yates (or if the game was close), Dove would come with a host of excuses like he did when Silsbee lost to 4A #1 Galveston Ball 84-82 a couple of years ago. Dove predicted Ball to win by over 20.
[/quote] I was there. I saw the Silsbee vs Ball game. It happens all the time in sports. The highly ranked team comes in to play ball and with nothing to prove. The Silsbee Tigers a good local team want to prove they are as good as the big boys. Silsbee had more incentive. This scenario happens in sports all the time. Lamar vs Duke (2000?) At the half, LU was right there with Duke. Duke played LU at a lower intensity level.  When Duke played Kansas (?) the next round, Duke's intensity level was way higher against Kansas than LU.  ;) It happens all the time in sports.  This will be an advantage if Silsbee or HJ make it that far  ;)
[/quote]
I watched that game too. Galveston Ball did not 'hold back' or 'play down'. It was an intense ge from start to finish. If it had been a 5 game series, Silsbee wins 2 of 5, IMO.
[/quote] Liar Abe, you're letting your personal feelings overtake your common sense.  ;D
[/quote]
Liar?  ??? ::)If I were from Silsbee, call me a Homer, fine. But I'm not from Silsbee, so my view of the game is completely objective.
[/quote] You are not agreeing with me Abe, therefore you cannot be objective as you say  ;)
[/quote]
LMBO!  8) 8)

[Dick Vitale]

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[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228780#msg1228780 date=1338928574]
[quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1228776#msg1228776 date=1338928243]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228775#msg1228775 date=1338928108]
[quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1228772#msg1228772 date=1338927881]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228769#msg1228769 date=1338927624]
[quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1228768#msg1228768 date=1338927520]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100336.msg1228767#msg1228767 date=1338927099]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228761#msg1228761 date=1338926799]
Apparently, they were deemed eligible after sitting out from varsity competition for one calendar year. They sat out while playing junior varsity. NOW they are eligible without question. No further discussion needed.
[/quote]

TRANSLATION- They are NOT homegrown but I have to find ways to say it so it doesnt look like I said something that was not true.
[/quote]

And I will ask you, Mr. Nash, as you have [b]verifiable[/b] close ties to the coaching staff at Hardin-Jefferson, how many years did the young man who came in from Beaumont have to sit out before playing varsity for the Hawks?
[/quote]
He didn't...pays to have "connections" within the cozy confines of the UIL. ::)
[/quote]

And what connections are those?
[/quote]
They know who I am referring to..You have to be "connected" to even know about it.... ;)
WOS, I know the Yates kids were under a LOT of scrutiny, and the ones that transferred to Yates were inspected with a fine tooth comb...They were made to play JV in order to eliminate any thought of wrong doing. They have done so..Ironically they had ZERO transfers during the 2011-12 school year..Not one...Let some posters tell it, they have them EVERY YEAR..This is a fallacy.
[/quote]

No, I don't know. Enlighten me.

By the way, I still have heard from you what provision of Chapter 440 did the players that had to "sit out" did not meet.
[/quote]
It was the established one year residence requirement, from what I understand.  The two kids in question now live in the Yates (HISD) attendance zone, but had to establish residency there for one calendar year. They have now satisfied it. Done.
[/quote]

Now, according to Chapter 440, a kid would be ineligible for varsity activities for a year is if:  1) they attended a school which wasn't in the attendance zone in their parents reside, 2) they transferred from a school in a district where there is no zoning amongst the multiple schools and the young man (or woman) has transferred from one school to another or 3) were deemed to have transferred for athletic purposes.

http://www.uiltexas.org/files/constitution/uil-ccr-subchapter-m.pdf

Now, instance No. 2 does not apply to HISD as their schools do have defined attendance zones, according to their policy:

http://www.houstonisd.org/HISDConnectDS/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=6e8c6f556befc010VgnVCM10000052147fa6RCRD&vgnextchannel=6ff3f0a53cf2b210VgnVCM10000028147fa6RCRD

And in fact, here is the HISD map for Jack Yates High:

http://dept.houstonisd.org/ab/SchoolBoundaryMaps/yatesHS.pdf

So my question is:  Did those that have to sit out have parents who live outside of the attendance zone of Yates or were the young men deemed by their district's executive committee to have transferred for athletic purposes?
[/quote]
While you are pulling out the rules don't forget the one that says: If a student attends a school that has a MAGNET PROGRAM that is not offered at his or her zoned school, the student may attend that school at the request of the parents and approval of the receiving school.

[stevenash]

If you attended a magnet school, there is no reason to sit out, right?

[WOSgrad]

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[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228775#msg1228775 date=1338928108]
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[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228769#msg1228769 date=1338927624]
[quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1228768#msg1228768 date=1338927520]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100336.msg1228767#msg1228767 date=1338927099]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228761#msg1228761 date=1338926799]
Apparently, they were deemed eligible after sitting out from varsity competition for one calendar year. They sat out while playing junior varsity. NOW they are eligible without question. No further discussion needed.
[/quote]

TRANSLATION- They are NOT homegrown but I have to find ways to say it so it doesnt look like I said something that was not true.
[/quote]

And I will ask you, Mr. Nash, as you have [b]verifiable[/b] close ties to the coaching staff at Hardin-Jefferson, how many years did the young man who came in from Beaumont have to sit out before playing varsity for the Hawks?
[/quote]
He didn't...pays to have "connections" within the cozy confines of the UIL. ::)
[/quote]

And what connections are those?
[/quote]
They know who I am referring to..You have to be "connected" to even know about it.... ;)
WOS, I know the Yates kids were under a LOT of scrutiny, and the ones that transferred to Yates were inspected with a fine tooth comb...They were made to play JV in order to eliminate any thought of wrong doing. They have done so..Ironically they had ZERO transfers during the 2011-12 school year..Not one...Let some posters tell it, they have them EVERY YEAR..This is a fallacy.
[/quote]

No, I don't know. Enlighten me.

By the way, I still have heard from you what provision of Chapter 440 did the players that had to "sit out" did not meet.
[/quote]
It was the established one year residence requirement, from what I understand.  The two kids in question now live in the Yates (HISD) attendance zone, but had to establish residency there for one calendar year. They have now satisfied it. Done.
[/quote]

Now, according to Chapter 440, a kid would be ineligible for varsity activities for a year is if:  1) they attended a school which wasn't in the attendance zone in their parents reside, 2) they transferred from a school in a district where there is no zoning amongst the multiple schools and the young man (or woman) has transferred from one school to another or 3) were deemed to have transferred for athletic purposes.

http://www.uiltexas.org/files/constitution/uil-ccr-subchapter-m.pdf

Now, instance No. 2 does not apply to HISD as their schools do have defined attendance zones, according to their policy:

http://www.houstonisd.org/HISDConnectDS/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=6e8c6f556befc010VgnVCM10000052147fa6RCRD&vgnextchannel=6ff3f0a53cf2b210VgnVCM10000028147fa6RCRD

And in fact, here is the HISD map for Jack Yates High:

http://dept.houstonisd.org/ab/SchoolBoundaryMaps/yatesHS.pdf

So my question is:  Did those that have to sit out have parents who live outside of the attendance zone of Yates or were the young men deemed by their district's executive committee to have transferred for athletic purposes?
[/quote]
While you are pulling out the rules don't forget the one that says: If a student attends a school that has a MAGNET PROGRAM that is not offered at his or her zoned school, the student may attend that school at the request of the parents and approval of the receiving school.
[/quote][quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228820#msg1228820 date=1338936144]
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[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228780#msg1228780 date=1338928574]
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[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100336.msg1228767#msg1228767 date=1338927099]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228761#msg1228761 date=1338926799]
Apparently, they were deemed eligible after sitting out from varsity competition for one calendar year. They sat out while playing junior varsity. NOW they are eligible without question. No further discussion needed.
[/quote]

TRANSLATION- They are NOT homegrown but I have to find ways to say it so it doesnt look like I said something that was not true.
[/quote]

And I will ask you, Mr. Nash, as you have [b]verifiable[/b] close ties to the coaching staff at Hardin-Jefferson, how many years did the young man who came in from Beaumont have to sit out before playing varsity for the Hawks?
[/quote]
He didn't...pays to have "connections" within the cozy confines of the UIL. ::)
[/quote]

And what connections are those?
[/quote]
They know who I am referring to..You have to be "connected" to even know about it.... ;)
WOS, I know the Yates kids were under a LOT of scrutiny, and the ones that transferred to Yates were inspected with a fine tooth comb...They were made to play JV in order to eliminate any thought of wrong doing. They have done so..Ironically they had ZERO transfers during the 2011-12 school year..Not one...Let some posters tell it, they have them EVERY YEAR..This is a fallacy.
[/quote]

No, I don't know. Enlighten me.

By the way, I still have heard from you what provision of Chapter 440 did the players that had to "sit out" did not meet.
[/quote]
It was the established one year residence requirement, from what I understand.  The two kids in question now live in the Yates (HISD) attendance zone, but had to establish residency there for one calendar year. They have now satisfied it. Done.
[/quote]

Now, according to Chapter 440, a kid would be ineligible for varsity activities for a year is if:  1) they attended a school which wasn't in the attendance zone in their parents reside, 2) they transferred from a school in a district where there is no zoning amongst the multiple schools and the young man (or woman) has transferred from one school to another or 3) were deemed to have transferred for athletic purposes.

http://www.uiltexas.org/files/constitution/uil-ccr-subchapter-m.pdf

Now, instance No. 2 does not apply to HISD as their schools do have defined attendance zones, according to their policy:

http://www.houstonisd.org/HISDConnectDS/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=6e8c6f556befc010VgnVCM10000052147fa6RCRD&vgnextchannel=6ff3f0a53cf2b210VgnVCM10000028147fa6RCRD

And in fact, here is the HISD map for Jack Yates High:

http://dept.houstonisd.org/ab/SchoolBoundaryMaps/yatesHS.pdf

So my question is:  Did those that have to sit out have parents who live outside of the attendance zone of Yates or were the young men deemed by their district's executive committee to have transferred for athletic purposes?
[/quote]
While you are pulling out the rules don't forget the one that says: If a student attends a school that has a MAGNET PROGRAM that is not offered at his or her zoned school, the student may attend that school at the request of the parents and approval of the receiving school.
[/quote]

Actually, it says that it requires the approval of both principal as well as the HISD superintendent.  But then again, if such a transfer was made and approved by the person who is essentially the boss of all of them, then, if their eligibility would have been submitted to the DEC, they would most certainly have been cleared to play varsity.  Which to me makes it appear that those who transferred do consider Yates a magnet school, but not for the field in which it is certified and that fact is apparent to the Lions' district mates.

Of course, all of that is still moot because Chapter 440 makes no mention of magnet schools. So again, my question, is the reason these guys had to sit because 1) their parents live outside of the Yates attendance zone or 2) that they were deemed to have moved for athletic purposes by the district DEC?

[Dick Vitale]

That WAS the ruling of the DEC.  They could not stop the transfer, and it was concluded that the transfers were NOT exclusively for athletc purposes. HOWEVER they were made to sit (play JV) due to the residency establishment rule. They did that. Its over. End of discussion. Kids are eligible to play varsity next season. No questions asked.
Question: Has ANY kid moved to HJ for athletic purposes in the last FIVE years? Yes, I already know the answer to that one. Unless you want to continue to say that kids come for the scenery and academics only.... ::)..Yes unhappy about playing JV ball and moving means that he moved strictly for athletic purposes.

[WOSgrad]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1228826" timestamp="1338937403"]
That WAS the ruling of the DEC.  They could not stop the transfer, and it was concluded that the transfers were NOT exclusively for athletc purposes. HOWEVER they were made to sit (play JV) due to the residency establishment rule. They did that. Its over. End of discussion. Kids are eligible to play varsity next season. No questions asked.
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So, the DEC, by your own words did rule that their move was due to athletic reason, albeit not exclusively.

Sorry, but your responses are creating many more questions than answers.

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1228827" timestamp="1338937654"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228826#msg1228826 date=1338937403]
That WAS the ruling of the DEC.  They could not stop the transfer, and it was concluded that the transfers were NOT exclusively for athletc purposes. HOWEVER they were made to sit (play JV) due to the residency establishment rule. They did that. Its over. End of discussion. Kids are eligible to play varsity next season. No questions asked.
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So, the DEC, by your own words did rule that their move was due to athletic reason, albeit not exclusively.

Sorry, but your responses are creating many more questions than answers.
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Stop trying to put me on the witness stand here...I SAID IT WAS RULED THAT NO ONE HAS TRANSFERRED TO YATES FOR ATHLETIC PURPOSES. They sat to fulfill the residency requirement for HISD ATHLETICS.

[WOSgrad]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1228829" timestamp="1338937863"]
[quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1228827#msg1228827 date=1338937654]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228826#msg1228826 date=1338937403]
That WAS the ruling of the DEC.  They could not stop the transfer, and it was concluded that the transfers were NOT exclusively for athletc purposes. HOWEVER they were made to sit (play JV) due to the residency establishment rule. They did that. Its over. End of discussion. Kids are eligible to play varsity next season. No questions asked.
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So, the DEC, by your own words did rule that their move was due to athletic reason, albeit not exclusively.

Sorry, but your responses are creating many more questions than answers.
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Stop trying to put me on the witness stand here...I SAID IT WAS RULED THAT NO ONE HAS TRANSFERRED TO YATES FOR ATHLETIC PURPOSES. They sat to fulfill the residency requirement for HISD ATHLETICS.
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No, you said exclusively for athletic purposes.  Although that is sort of like being pregnant, either you are or you aren't.  So in other words, at the very least, these boys who had to sit out were attending some other HISD school before their love for the communications field prompted them to be drawn to Yates, which happens to be out of the HISD school they are zoned for.

Mmmmm, hhhhmmmm.

[Honest Abe]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1228826" timestamp="1338937403"]
That WAS the ruling of the DEC.  They could not stop the transfer, and it was concluded that the transfers were NOT exclusively for athletc purposes. HOWEVER they were made to sit (play JV) due to the residency establishment rule. They did that. Its over. End of discussion. Kids are eligible to play varsity next season. No questions asked.
Question: Has ANY kid moved to HJ for athletic purposes in the last FIVE years? Yes, I already know the answer to that one. Unless you want to continue to say that kids come for the scenery and academics only.... ::)..Yes unhappy about playing JV ball and moving means that he moved strictly for athletic purposes.
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Come on DV, stop diverting and answer the question! Wosgrad's question wasn't towards Nash about HJ. It was directed towards you regarding Yates. Anyway, Funny how you assume ONE transfer to HJ was for athletic purposes, yet you defend all of the transfers to Yates?  ???

[mytwocents-28]

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LumRaiderFan]

What's the score now, Nash?  ;D

[stevenash]

It was 440-15 but one player left the gym.

In the words of the REAL Dick Vitale- " It's blow out city, babeeeee!!!!"

[Dick Vitale]

Like I said...CASE CLOSED...They sat, played JV, now they are CLEAR...No questions asked...OHHHHH, but MY question was never answered about Hardin Jefferson. HAVE THEY HAD A PLAYER IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS TRANSFER INTO THEIR SCHOOL FOR ATHLETIC PURPOSES? I know the answer to that one, just want to make sure a certain poster understands the definition of "transferring for athletic purposes".... ::)

[WOSgrad]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1228860" timestamp="1338946063"]
Like I said...CASE CLOSED...They sat, played JV, now they are CLEAR...No questions asked...OHHHHH, but MY question was never answered about Hardin Jefferson. HAVE THEY HAD A PLAYER IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS TRANSFER INTO THEIR SCHOOL FOR ATHLETIC PURPOSES? I know the answer to that one, just want to make sure a certain poster understands the definition of "transferring for athletic purposes".... ::)
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According to the District 21-3A executive committee, no they have not.

Moreover, Beaumont ISD Athletic Director Rodney Saveat (I think you may remember him), as well as either the head basketball coach or the principal at Central, attested that the transfer student was not for athletic purposes. 

Or are you going to call officials for your former employer liars?

[stevenash]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1228860" timestamp="1338946063"]
Like I said...CASE CLOSED...They sat, played JV, now they are CLEAR...No questions asked...OHHHHH, but MY question was never answered about Hardin Jefferson. HAVE THEY HAD A PLAYER IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS TRANSFER INTO THEIR SCHOOL FOR ATHLETIC PURPOSES? I know the answer to that one, just want to make sure a certain poster understands the definition of "transferring for athletic purposes".... ::)
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Dickie- I understand that definition EVERY BIT AS WELL as you ever did.  I have been married to an educator for more years than you have been in this world, and have two other educators in my immediate family, so you neednt worry about my understanding of definitions pertaining to education.  Do you  understand what a blatant lie it is to keep saying that all of Yates players are homegrown when so many had to sit out a year and, at the same time, Westend gave you the names of 4 players who transferred in from other schools?

[stevenash]

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1228862" timestamp="1338946766"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228860#msg1228860 date=1338946063]
Like I said...CASE CLOSED...They sat, played JV, now they are CLEAR...No questions asked...OHHHHH, but MY question was never answered about Hardin Jefferson. HAVE THEY HAD A PLAYER IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS TRANSFER INTO THEIR SCHOOL FOR ATHLETIC PURPOSES? I know the answer to that one, just want to make sure a certain poster understands the definition of "transferring for athletic purposes".... ::)
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According to the District 21-3A executive committee, no they have not.
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You have to remember, though, that the 21-3a executive committee does not, like some people, know everything and everybody. 

[CThoops]

The best players for Yates are not homegrown.. They are transfers.. But Yates follows the rules of transfers so that they dont get in trouble