Winning traditions

[AggiesAreWe]

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[quote author=rykerx144 link=topic=100873.msg1234505#msg1234505 date=1341787110]
actually it says 518 wins and according to records its only a 61.82 percent winning record, nevermind the fact that your numbers are wrong again!  but most of these stats your talking about are dated pre 1970.  Just curious whats the record for the past 20 years?  How many state championships and what is winning percent for the past 20 years? 

Ive looked,,not so pretty is it??  Thats the difference between history and tradition!!!
[/quote]518 was from two seasons ago. We are now at 527. Don't be so fast to stir the pot. lol. Heck most the teams i gave credit to on here earlier have not been as good recently.
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According to this link that YOU provided, HD has 518 wins thru 2011, not 527.

http://www.texasfootball.com/win-loss-records/


For someone that's all about Hull-Daisetta football, you sure lack accuracy on your facts.
[/quote]Yes i knew it said 518. Been saying that for 2 seasons. You must be slow.  ;D
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Not slow, just HD football is just not relevant enough to garner my full attention over the past several years.

But, I'll take Texas Football website over a "homer's" inaccurate and biased facts. ;) ::)

If it weren't for your constant whining and crying about your precious Bobcats on this site, I would not give them much thought.
[/quote]Wow an Aggie fan that can read! H-D is crushed.  ;D  ;D The link below is in 2010 and has H-D at 521.

http://www.texasfootball.com/win-loss-records/
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No, that link shows thru 2011 and 518 wins.
[/quote]http://lonestargridiron.com/history-records/wins-all-time/
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First of all, that website has been notoriously wrong and has had it's facts disputed by many football historians.

But, even by going with those numbers as of 2010, those numbers still do not add up to what the 527 wins that you posted earlier. If indeed HD has 521 wins thru 2010, with their record being 4-6 last year, that would only give them 525 wins.

I'll go with the fact that HD has 518 wins thru 2011 like Texas Football website has and the knowledge that you simply do not know. ::)

[AshlyHasBeen]

I wish my old buddy Joe Lee Smith would get on this but computers aren't his thing lol.

[AggiesAreWe]

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I wish my old buddy Joe Lee Smith would get on this but computers aren't his thing lol.
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Joe would most definitely know.

You need to get him hooked up with us!! ;D

[H-D BOBCAT 55]

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I wish my old buddy Joe Lee Smith would get on this but computers aren't his thing lol.
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Joe would most definitely know.

You need to get him hooked up with us!! ;D
[/quote]Lonestar Football i believe had H-D at 527. Site is down right now. It doesn't matter. Fact is H-D is one of the winningest programs around. H-D is also at the top in playoff appearances.

http://www.texasfootball.com/all-time-playoff-appearances/

[AshlyHasBeen]

I only see Joe once a year at our fantasy football draft. Considering he just figured out facebook instant messaging I don't expect him to be getting on message boards lol. He is one of the funniest people I've ever met.

[WOSgrad]

Through the end of the 2007 season, Hull-Daisetta had an all time record of 503-304-35.

Source: http://texashsfootball.com/board/thsfpedia/index.php/All-Time_Highest_Winning_Percentages

Season records:

2008 - 8-3  Source: http://www.pigskinprep.com/archive/2008files/2008Sched1areg3.html
2009 - 5-6  Source: http://www.pigskinprep.com/archive/2009files/2009SchedWkly1ADist23.html
2010 - 5-6  Source: http://www.pigskinprep.com/archive/2010files/2010SchedWkly1ADist11.html
2011 - 4-6  Source: http://www.pigskinprep.com/archive/2011/showfreeschedules.asp?distID=139&yr=2011

That would put H-D's all time record at 525-326-35, a winning percentage of 61.23%

[WOSgrad]

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[quote author=rykerx144 link=topic=100873.msg1234505#msg1234505 date=1341787110]
actually it says 518 wins and according to records its only a 61.82 percent winning record, nevermind the fact that your numbers are wrong again!  but most of these stats your talking about are dated pre 1970.  Just curious whats the record for the past 20 years?  How many state championships and what is winning percent for the past 20 years? 

Ive looked,,not so pretty is it??  Thats the difference between history and tradition!!!
[/quote]518 was from two seasons ago. We are now at 527. Don't be so fast to stir the pot. lol. Heck most the teams i gave credit to on here earlier have not been as good recently.
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Oh really?  Let's take a look at the last 10 years of the teams you mentioned, Hull-Daisetta, Odessa Permian, West Orange-Stark, Port Neches-Groves, Newton:

[table]
[tr][td][b][color=black]School[/td][td]    [/td][td][b][color=black]H-D[/td][td]    [/td][td][b][color=black]Mojo[/td][td]    [/td][td][b][color=black]WO-S[/td][td]    [/td][td][b][color=black]PN-G[/td][td]    [/td][td][b][color=black]Newton[/td][td]    [/td][/tr]
[tr][td][b][color=black]2002[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]5-5[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]5-5[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]8-2[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]5-5[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]11-1[/td][td]    [/td][/tr]
[tr][td][b][color=black]2003[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]7-4[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]6-4[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]8-2[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]9-3[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]10-2[/td][td]    [/td][/tr]
[tr][td][b][color=black]2004[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]4-7[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]4-6[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]7-3[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]8-4[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]11-3[/td][td]    [/td][/tr]
[tr][td][b][color=black]2005[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]4-6[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]5-5[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]12-1[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]5-3[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]13-0[/td][td]    [/td][/tr]
[tr][td][b][color=black]2006[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]7-4[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]9-4[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]11-1[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]5-5[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]8-3[/td][td]    [/td][/tr]
[tr][td][b][color=black]2007[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]7-4[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]12-1[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]11-2[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]8-4[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]9-3[/td][td]    [/td][/tr]
[tr][td][b][color=black]2008[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]8-3[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]12-1[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]10-1[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]3-6[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]9-4[/td][td]    [/td][/tr]
[tr][td][b][color=black]2009[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]5-6[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]8-4[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]8-3[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]11-1[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]12-2[/td][td]    [/td][/tr]
[tr][td][b][color=black]2010[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]5-6[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]4-6[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]8-3[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]8-5[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]8-4[/td][td]    [/td][/tr]
[tr][td][b][color=black]2011[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]4-6[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]6-5[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]10-4[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]7-4[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]9-3[/td][td]    [/td][/tr]
[tr][td][b][color=black]Total 02-11[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black][b]56-51[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black][b]71-41[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black][b]93-22[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black][b]69-40[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black][b]100-25[/td][td]    [/td][/tr]
[tr][td][b][color=black]Winning %[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black][b].523[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black][b].634[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black][b].809[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black][b].633[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black][b].800[/td][td]    [/td][/tr][/table]

If you take the last 5 years:

[table]
[tr][td][b][color=black]School[/td][td]    [/td][td][b][color=black]H-D[/td][td]    [/td][td][b][color=black]Mojo[/td][td]    [/td][td][b][color=black]WO-S[/td][td]    [/td][td][b][color=black]PN-G[/td][td]    [/td][td][b][color=black]Newton[/td][td]    [/td][/tr]
[tr][td][b][color=black]2007[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]7-4[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]12-1[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]11-2[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]8-4[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]9-3[/td][td]    [/td][/tr]
[tr][td][b][color=black]2008[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]8-3[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]12-1[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]10-1[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]3-6[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]9-4[/td][td]    [/td][/tr]
[tr][td][b][color=black]2009[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]5-6[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]8-4[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]8-3[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]11-1[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]12-2[/td][td]    [/td][/tr]
[tr][td][b][color=black]2010[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]5-6[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]4-6[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]8-3[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]8-5[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]8-4[/td][td]    [/td][/tr]
[tr][td][b][color=black]2011[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]4-6[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]6-5[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]10-4[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]7-4[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black]9-3[/td][td]    [/td][/tr]
[tr][td][b][color=black]Total 07-11[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black][b]29-25[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black][b]42-17[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black][b]47-13[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black][b]37-20[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black][b]47-16[/td][td]    [/td][/tr]
[tr][td][b][color=black]Winning %[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black][b].537[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black][b].712[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black][b].783[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black][b].649[/td][td]    [/td][td][color=black][b].746[/td][td]    [/td][/tr][/table]

Looks like the Bobcats are lagging amongst this group.

[rykerx144]

Hey HD,

go back and read the very first post on this thread.  There is some very good advise on that post!

[AggiesAreWe]

Cue the Seasame Street song:

" One of these is not like the other. One of these things just doesn't belong. Can you tell which thing is not like the other, by the time I finish my song?"

[rykerx144]

you need to find audio of that!  Thats gotta be played during the preview shows now lol

[AggiesAreWe]

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you need to find audio of that!  Thats gotta be played during the preview shows now lol
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I'll get right on it!!

[AggiesAreWe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ect-kgxBb4M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FClGhto1vIg&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8SSbyK5Js8&feature=related

[rykerx144]

awesome!  Love it...except ill be singing that song all day now

[H-D BOBCAT 55]

Good job and good info WOSgrad. H-D needs to step it up, maybe Finney can help. I think i will go watch Sesume Street.  ;D Go Bobcats!  ;D

[BHFAN]

Speaking of Big Bird  ;) BH I think is sitting at 65% all time winning percentage. I think they are only behind WOS in this area, but i'm sure one of you stat junkies will point out who is better ;) What is the top 10 winningest teams in the our area by all time percentage?

[Rebel Yeller]

You know tradition is a two edged sword. If you have been good and remain that way then the cutting goes to your opponents, but if your team has a few down seasons then watch out for the backlash!

How many times have winning coaches had to pack and leave because they stayed a couple of seasons too long. How many times has a coach come in and followed a winning coach who moved on when that coach moved on knowing the talent was drying up had to endure the slings and arrows of losing.

Lets be honest, we treat HS coaches just like we do college and professional coaches and I for one believe it is unfair. Any coach other than HS can recruit or draft players to fill needs. I know we have coaches and parents who shop their kids to other schools for athletic purposes, but that happens a lot less than we might think. HS coaches are there week in and week out. They work with the young men and women that come out for their sport from their school. They put a team together and they play. When they win we think they are great and when they don't we think they are bums!

Well the life lessons of HS sports are what are most important to me. I know that winning is fun and we have had lots to cheer about here in Evadale for the past five or six years in all sports. But if this year we don't win games it is not because the coaches quit coaching or the players quit playing. In life sometimes you just don't win. But for 98% of the student athletes who will never play at the next level it has to be about learning that hard work is good. Team work is good. Discipline is good and that games are just a tool to learn about life and how to live it.

What have you done lately for your coach or athlete to show them that their worth is not about wins, but is about being people of good character!

[dustoff03]

+1 rebel yeller.

[JohnSmith]

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You know tradition is a two edged sword. If you have been good and remain that way then the cutting goes to your opponents, but if your team has a few down seasons then watch out for the backlash!

How many times have winning coaches had to pack and leave because they stayed a couple of seasons too long. How many times has a coach come in and followed a winning coach who moved on when that coach moved on knowing the talent was drying up had to endure the slings and arrows of losing.

Lets be honest, we treat HS coaches just like we do college and professional coaches and I for one believe it is unfair. Any coach other than HS can recruit or draft players to fill needs. I know we have coaches and parents who shop their kids to other schools for athletic purposes, but that happens a lot less than we might think. HS coaches are there week in and week out. They work with the young men and women that come out for their sport from their school. They put a team together and they play. When they win we think they are great and when they don't we think they are bums!

Well the life lessons of HS sports are what are most important to me. I know that winning is fun and we have had lots to cheer about here in Evadale for the past five or six years in all sports. But if this year we don't win games it is not because the coaches quit coaching or the players quit playing. In life sometimes you just don't win. But for 98% of the student athletes who will never play at the next level it has to be about learning that hard work is good. Team work is good. Discipline is good and that games are just a tool to learn about life and how to live it.

[b]What have you done lately for your coach or athlete to show them that their worth is not about wins, but is about being people of good character![/b][/quote]The one thing you can do the most is to come to all games win or lose.  That is something 20 4A does very well and some of the old 19 4A Dayton, Bh, Crosby and GCM.  Not sure if I qualify to give a +1 but I would if could.

[H-D BOBCAT 55]

This is the site i have used to get our teams wins and loses. They have H-D at 527 victories 63%. You can even simulate games, pretty fun.

http://lonestarfootball.net/team.asp?T=1611

[AshlyHasBeen]

Pretty fun thing to play with.

'11 PN-G 74  '11 Hull-Daisetta 7

The 2011 Hull-Daisetta Bobcats were no match for the 2011 Port Neches-Groves Indians' steamrolling performance. This was definately a mismatch. The losing team's fans were not pleased by this selected matchup. A couple of their fans were found waiting outsite the stadium gates to have a little talk with the one responsible for this game. It may take the 2011 Hull-Daisetta Bobcats (and thier fans) a while to recover.


LOL couldn't resist. At least I didn't simulate it at the Rez. And yes I know there's a huge difference in the size of schools.

[H-D BOBCAT 55]

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Pretty fun thing to play with.

'11 PN-G 74  '11 Hull-Daisetta 7

The 2011 Hull-Daisetta Bobcats were no match for the 2011 Port Neches-Groves Indians' steamrolling performance. This was definately a mismatch. The losing team's fans were not pleased by this selected matchup. A couple of their fans were found waiting outsite the stadium gates to have a little talk with the one responsible for this game. It may take the 2011 Hull-Daisetta Bobcats (and thier fans) a while to recover.


LOL couldn't resist. At least I didn't simulate it at the Rez. And yes I know there's a huge difference in the size of schools.
[/quote]LOL. Yes it is fun. H-D had like 28 football players last year. PNG's JV probably doubled that. lol.

[BHFAN]

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This is the site i have used to get our teams wins and loses. They have H-D at 527 victories 63%. You can even simulate games, pretty fun.

http://lonestarfootball.net/team.asp?T=1611
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I was right then BH is 506-286-29 all time for a win Pct of 65%

WOS is 294-81-3 at 79% :o

Oh and we beat HD 85-7 for the 2011 simulation ;) Thats for all of the butt whoopins in the 30's you gave us ;)

[H-D BOBCAT 55]

[quote name="BHFAN" post="1234735" timestamp="1341864073"]
[quote author=H-D BOBCAT 55 link=topic=100873.msg1234712#msg1234712 date=1341857724]
This is the site i have used to get our teams wins and loses. They have H-D at 527 victories 63%. You can even simulate games, pretty fun.

http://lonestarfootball.net/team.asp?T=1611
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I was right then BH is 506-286-29 all time for a win Pct of 65%

WOS is 294-81-3 at 79% :o

Oh and we beat HD 85-7 for the 2011 simulation ;) Thats for all of the butt whoopins in the 30's you gave us ;)
[/quote]Dang, lol.

[rykerx144]

[quote name="BHFAN" post="1234673" timestamp="1341847497"]
Speaking of Big Bird  ;) BH I think is sitting at 65% all time winning percentage. I think they are only behind WOS in this area, but i'm sure one of you stat junkies will point out who is better ;) What is the top 10 winningest teams in the our area by all time percentage?
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I am not a stat junkie and I dont not have a problem.  Well I'm about 81% sure I dont have a problem and 19% unsure.  I would say that I wake up 320 of the 365 days pretty sure I dont have a problem.  The other 45 days I think I can contribute 80% of them days to hangovers, 10% to gas, and the other 10% to a leaking diaper because I sleep with a 1 year old. 

[AshlyHasBeen]

And wow that Lone Star site has a ton of mistakes. Great idea but I would never use it as a source.