SETX Mentality infestation

[badndn]

Funny that you mention Lamar playing the La Tech's of the world back in the day like LT was a powerhouse D1 then, now or ever! LT was in the Southland. They kept there program and are now LOOOOSING money in FBS. Hawaii this year, OSU next. What's LTs attendence?
UTSA has a reason to be in FBS now...Huge student base, large metro area, large stadium already, and only game in town! Tell me the attraction to an LU football game for 35K a week? And don't say Sunbelt schools, cause after a few years when the new wears off that drops back to the old faithful 15K.

[Javelina]

[quote name="UNLV" post="1282244" timestamp="1348631439"]
How do you determine if 20k, 30k, 35k, 40k, 80k is the best stadium size for Lamar?
[/quote]

Wyomings Stadium 29,181, New Mexico Stadium 39,224, La Tech 30,600, thats where I got that number from but stadium capacity is not my decision they (Lamar Admin) have never asked what I think about Lamar football

[UNLV]

[quote name="badndn" post="1282278" timestamp="1348658929"]
Funny that you mention Lamar playing the La Tech's of the world back in the day like LT was a powerhouse D1 then, now or ever! LT was in the Southland. They kept there program and are now LOOOOSING money in FBS. Hawaii this year, OSU next. What's LTs attendence?
UTSA has a reason to be in FBS now...Huge student base, large metro area, large stadium already, and only game in town! Tell me the attraction to an LU football game for 35K a week? And don't say Sunbelt schools, cause after a few years when the new wears off that drops back to the old faithful 15K.
[/quote]Nevada destroyed Hawaii 69-24. Hawaii destroyed Lamar 54-2. La Tech destroyed BIG 10 Illinois in Illinois.
La Tech is losing money for a great reputation. Kinda like advertising. I wonder who is more well known, Tech or Lamar even with Lamar being in a much bigger metro, Lamar the bigger school in a wealthy Texas.

ULL had +30k for it's Okie st game, Monroe had +30k for its Baylor game, Texas st had +30k for its Texas Tech game. Let me guess your responds...We can never do that. We aren't as mighty and gifted as Texas st, Monroe, or ULL. We can never be more than SFA and SHSU.

[UNLV]

[quote name="Javelina" post="1282280" timestamp="1348659130"]
[quote author=UNLV link=topic=103497.msg1282244#msg1282244 date=1348631439]
How do you determine if 20k, 30k, 35k, 40k, 80k is the best stadium size for Lamar?
[/quote]

Wyomings Stadium 29,181, New Mexico Stadium 39,224, La Tech 30,600, thats where I got that number from but stadium capacity is not my decision the have never asked what I think about Lamar football
[/quote]Beaumont metro is bigger than 2 of those 3. We have space and population for 40k.
What do you think of ULL 50k stadium plans?

[kingkat99]

[quote name="UNLV" post="1282398" timestamp="1348670846"]
[quote author=Javelina link=topic=103497.msg1282280#msg1282280 date=1348659130]
[quote author=UNLV link=topic=103497.msg1282244#msg1282244 date=1348631439]
How do you determine if 20k, 30k, 35k, 40k, 80k is the best stadium size for Lamar?
[/quote]

Wyomings Stadium 29,181, New Mexico Stadium 39,224, La Tech 30,600, thats where I got that number from but stadium capacity is not my decision the have never asked what I think about Lamar football
[/quote]Beaumont metro is bigger than 2 of those 3. We have space and population for 40k.
[b]What do you think of ULL 50k stadium plans[/b]?
[/quote]

[IMG]http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj43/RunnerTH/emoticons-xtra/bandwagon.gif[/img]
ULL has got a good bandwagon going right now.  Lamar could build a 40, 50,60k+ stadium and might fill it up once or twice a season depending on who was playing and how good the Cards are at the time.  ULM filled their stadium for the first time EVER last friday and that was only because of the early success they have had this season not the opponent.  They didnt even fill it when Alabama and others have previously come to town.

[Javelina]

[quote name="UNLV" post="1282398" timestamp="1348670846"]
[quote author=Javelina link=topic=103497.msg1282280#msg1282280 date=1348659130]
[quote author=UNLV link=topic=103497.msg1282244#msg1282244 date=1348631439]
How do you determine if 20k, 30k, 35k, 40k, 80k is the best stadium size for Lamar?
[/quote]

Wyomings Stadium 29,181, New Mexico Stadium 39,224, La Tech 30,600, thats where I got that number from but stadium capacity is not my decision the have never asked what I think about Lamar football
[/quote]Beaumont metro is bigger than 2 of those 3. We have space and population for 40k.
What do you think of ULL 50k stadium plans?
[/quote]

How long has it taken for them to be able to expand to possibly fill a 50K UNLV?  add as needed but if PU does get expanded i say start with 30K and go from there thats all.  Im a LU Alumni and want LU football to compete with the best and to have the best facilities as well but its a proccess IMO.  Personally I think LU should have expanded it to 25K when they renovated it cause i believe we could put 25K in the stands now but they need to quit televising home games or atleast black them out if its not a sell out.

[UNLV]

[quote name="Javelina" post="1282504" timestamp="1348678619"]
[quote author=UNLV link=topic=103497.msg1282398#msg1282398 date=1348670846]
[quote author=Javelina link=topic=103497.msg1282280#msg1282280 date=1348659130]
[quote author=UNLV link=topic=103497.msg1282244#msg1282244 date=1348631439]
How do you determine if 20k, 30k, 35k, 40k, 80k is the best stadium size for Lamar?
[/quote]

Wyomings Stadium 29,181, New Mexico Stadium 39,224, La Tech 30,600, thats where I got that number from but stadium capacity is not my decision the have never asked what I think about Lamar football
[/quote]Beaumont metro is bigger than 2 of those 3. We have space and population for 40k.
What do you think of ULL 50k stadium plans?
[/quote]

How long has it taken for them to be able to expand to possibly fill a 50K UNLV?  add as needed but if PU does get expanded i say start with 30K and go from there thats all.  Im a LU Alumni and want LU football to compete with the best and to have the best facilities as well but its a proccess IMO.  Personally I think LU should have expanded it to 25K when they renovated it cause i believe we could put 25K in the stands now but they need to quit televising home games or atleast black them out if its not a sell out.
[/quote]Expanding to 30k, then 35k, then 40k cost more money than expanding 1 time. Lamar should go 41k in a 1 time project.

I agree. Had Lamar gone to 25k when football started, Lamar would average 22k right now.

I think LU should put in small set of wrap around seats around the north end zones. Call these seats the 'dirty bird section' for loud screaming fans....students. This could be done at minimum cost, Lamar has no vision. 

[coachacola]

[quote name="UNLV" post="1282865" timestamp="1348708483"]
[quote author=Javelina link=topic=103497.msg1282504#msg1282504 date=1348678619]
[quote author=UNLV link=topic=103497.msg1282398#msg1282398 date=1348670846]
[quote author=Javelina link=topic=103497.msg1282280#msg1282280 date=1348659130]
[quote author=UNLV link=topic=103497.msg1282244#msg1282244 date=1348631439]
How do you determine if 20k, 30k, 35k, 40k, 80k is the best stadium size for Lamar?
[/quote]

Wyomings Stadium 29,181, New Mexico Stadium 39,224, La Tech 30,600, thats where I got that number from but stadium capacity is not my decision the have never asked what I think about Lamar football
[/quote]Beaumont metro is bigger than 2 of those 3. We have space and population for 40k.
What do you think of ULL 50k stadium plans?
[/quote]

How long has it taken for them to be able to expand to possibly fill a 50K UNLV?  add as needed but if PU does get expanded i say start with 30K and go from there thats all.  Im a LU Alumni and want LU football to compete with the best and to have the best facilities as well but its a proccess IMO.  Personally I think LU should have expanded it to 25K when they renovated it cause i believe we could put 25K in the stands now but they need to quit televising home games or atleast black them out if its not a sell out.
[/quote]Expanding to 30k, then 35k, then 40k cost more money than expanding 1 time. Lamar should go 41k in a 1 time project.

I agree. Had Lamar gone to 25k when football started, Lamar would average 22k right now.

I think LU should put in small set of wrap around seats around the north end zones. Call these seats the 'dirty bird section' for loud screaming fans....students. This could be done at minimum cost, Lamar has no vision.
[/quote]

Lamar is barely able to afford the $29 million they spent on renovating the stadium and building the athletic complex.  Private donations had to pay for at least quarter of that.  No way would they have been able to expand to 41k.  Sure, in the long run in may cost less, but that doesn't matter one bit if it's unaffordable now.

And why would Lamar be averaging 22K now?  There was less than 14K at the Langston game.  Did 9K stay away because there were only 3K empty seats available and they didn't want to fight over them?

[UNLV]

[quote name="coachacola" post="1282909" timestamp="1348713143"]
[quote author=UNLV link=topic=103497.msg1282865#msg1282865 date=1348708483]
[quote author=Javelina link=topic=103497.msg1282504#msg1282504 date=1348678619]
[quote author=UNLV link=topic=103497.msg1282398#msg1282398 date=1348670846]
[quote author=Javelina link=topic=103497.msg1282280#msg1282280 date=1348659130]
[quote author=UNLV link=topic=103497.msg1282244#msg1282244 date=1348631439]
How do you determine if 20k, 30k, 35k, 40k, 80k is the best stadium size for Lamar?
[/quote]

Wyomings Stadium 29,181, New Mexico Stadium 39,224, La Tech 30,600, thats where I got that number from but stadium capacity is not my decision the have never asked what I think about Lamar football
[/quote]Beaumont metro is bigger than 2 of those 3. We have space and population for 40k.
What do you think of ULL 50k stadium plans?
[/quote]

How long has it taken for them to be able to expand to possibly fill a 50K UNLV?  add as needed but if PU does get expanded i say start with 30K and go from there thats all.  Im a LU Alumni and want LU football to compete with the best and to have the best facilities as well but its a proccess IMO.  Personally I think LU should have expanded it to 25K when they renovated it cause i believe we could put 25K in the stands now but they need to quit televising home games or atleast black them out if its not a sell out.
[/quote]Expanding to 30k, then 35k, then 40k cost more money than expanding 1 time. Lamar should go 41k in a 1 time project.

I agree. Had Lamar gone to 25k when football started, Lamar would average 22k right now.

I think LU should put in small set of wrap around seats around the north end zones. Call these seats the 'dirty bird section' for loud screaming fans....students. This could be done at minimum cost, Lamar has no vision.
[/quote]

Lamar is barely able to afford the $29 million they spent on renovating the stadium and building the athletic complex.  Private donations had to pay for at least quarter of that.  No way would they have been able to expand to 41k.  Sure, in the long run in may cost less, but that doesn't matter one bit if it's unaffordable now.

And why would Lamar be averaging 22K now?  There was less than 14K at the Langston game.  Did 9K stay away because there were only 3K empty seats available and they didn't want to fight over them?
[/quote]Yet everyone else can do. ULL is doing it with huge budget cuts in a down economy in a poor state. There are do-ers and excuse makers.

There is plenty of reasons why Lamar attendance would be much higher in a 25k stadium. Here is just one.\
A 16k stadium with 15k show up. That makes it very hard to impossible for a family or group to get seats together. I could call Lamar right now requesting 6 tickets together. NOPE. I want to sit with my buddies or don't go.

[badndn]

[quote name="UNLV" post="1282398" timestamp="1348670846"]
[quote author=Javelina link=topic=103497.msg1282280#msg1282280 date=1348659130]
[quote author=UNLV link=topic=103497.msg1282244#msg1282244 date=1348631439]
How do you determine if 20k, 30k, 35k, 40k, 80k is the best stadium size for Lamar?
[/quote]

Wyomings Stadium 29,181, New Mexico Stadium 39,224, La Tech 30,600, thats where I got that number from but stadium capacity is not my decision the have never asked what I think about Lamar football
[/quote][b]Beaumont metro is bigger than 2 of those 3. We have space and population for 40k.[/b]What do you think of ULL 50k stadium plans?
[/quote]
Yes BMT metro is larger than 2 of 3, but those three stadiums and universities you mentioned are the biggest things going for hundreds of miles unlike BMT where some folks will spend there entertainment dollar on Sundays at Reliant instead of Saturdays at LU! Doesn't matter what you do those folks are not going to forgo the NFL experience for LU Football.

[UNLV]

[quote name="badndn" post="1283148" timestamp="1348759709"]
[quote author=UNLV link=topic=103497.msg1282398#msg1282398 date=1348670846]
[quote author=Javelina link=topic=103497.msg1282280#msg1282280 date=1348659130]
[quote author=UNLV link=topic=103497.msg1282244#msg1282244 date=1348631439]
How do you determine if 20k, 30k, 35k, 40k, 80k is the best stadium size for Lamar?
[/quote]

Wyomings Stadium 29,181, New Mexico Stadium 39,224, La Tech 30,600, thats where I got that number from but stadium capacity is not my decision the have never asked what I think about Lamar football
[/quote][b]Beaumont metro is bigger than 2 of those 3. We have space and population for 40k.[/b]What do you think of ULL 50k stadium plans?
[/quote]
Yes BMT metro is larger than 2 of 3, but those three stadiums and universities you mentioned are the biggest things going for hundreds of miles unlike BMT where some folks will spend there entertainment dollar on Sundays at Reliant instead of Saturdays at LU! Doesn't matter what you do those folks are not going to forgo the NFL experience for LU Football.
[/quote]Reliant is not unlimited in size. Our 400k will need to compete with Houston's 6,000k for those limited seats. An area of 400k could easily fill a 41k stadium.

[Wreckem2011]

Maybe when we get our "MWC or Big 12 invite", we need to expand. I don't see Lamar expanding the staduim to play SFA.

[UNLV]

[quote name="Wreckem2011" post="1283648" timestamp="1348789815"]
Maybe when we get our "MWC or Big 12 invite", we need to expand. I don't see Lamar expanding the staduim to play SFA.
[/quote]A typical setx reply. If someone would have asked me 10 years ago if Lamar would have a new scoreboard,in the Montagne, I would have said heck yes. I have learned by now, never under estimate the setx "it can;t be done" mentality.

[Wreckem2011]

Where are the WAC, Sunbelt, MWC invites ?

[Wreckem2011]

UNLV you live in some kind of fantasyland. If Lamar was a FBS program, I could understand expanding the staduim to 30k (like Texas State did). However Lamar is a startup FCS program. Once they start acing winning seasons and gain support, I would understand expanding the staduim.

There is nothing worse as a fan than going to a game and seeing the fans half full (Rice is an example).

[Green Menace]

[quote name="Wreckem2011" post="1283747" timestamp="1348798421"]
UNLV you live in some kind of fantasyland. If Lamar was a FBS program, I could understand expanding the staduim to 30k (like Texas State did). However Lamar is a startup FCS program. Once they start acing winning seasons and gain support, I would understand expanding the staduim.

There is nothing worse as a fan than going to a game and seeing the fans half full (Rice is an example).
[/quote]
I dunno Wreckem2011.  I know that utsa went from having nothing to building something in just 3-4 years from scratch.  I know they are in San Antonio and don't have to compete with other sports teams with the exception of their NBA team.  They have a dynamite athletic director, hired a "name coach", did a great marketing job to the businesses in San Antonio, and in a short period of time (two years of competition), the roadrunners are a known commodity, headed for CUSA.  Having the Alamodome for a stadium certainly helps.  Personally, I detest utsa for being so successful (so far).  What did they win, 2-3 games last year, and they really haven't really played anyone this year to get that 4-0 record.  that will all change over the course of the season.  Can't see them being any better than 4-8.

Point is, Lamar could have done the same thing.  They could easily get the donations to enlarge PU Stadium.  Heck, just adding seats to the North end zone bowl would be nice and an easy thing to do.

[puddin tane]

..being close to Dallas... I imagine tickets to watch the  mean green  are hard to get.....................or not

[i] For the 2011 season, the stadium averaged 18,864 spectators per home game, which is 61.15% of the facility's capacity of 30,850,[36] and the team ended the season ranked 98th out of 120 Football Bowl Subdivision teams in average home attendance[/i]

[puddin tane]

why...even our beloved UNLV stadium opened in 1971 with seating for 15k...didnt expand  on that for 7 years...but..judging from this years attendance (15k avg-4 games), the expansion was not needed

of course..the largest crowd in history isnt the team, but the Grateful Dead...

desert mentality

[Green Menace]

[quote name="puddin tane" post="1283889" timestamp="1348808055"]
..being close to Dallas... I imagine tickets to watch the  mean green  are hard to get.....................or not

[i] For the 2011 season, the stadium averaged 18,864 spectators per home game, which is 61.15% of the facility's capacity of 30,850,[36] and the team ended the season ranked 98th out of 120 Football Bowl Subdivision teams in average home attendance[/i]
[/quote]

Not hard to get at all.  If you pay attention to the sports scene in the DFW area, you'll know that SMU and TCU have the same problems.  Did you catch any of the TCU/Univ of Virginia game on TV?  I did, and that new, glorious stadium that have looked about 60% of capacity.  Now, we all know that when UT and the rest of the Big 12 contingent come into Amon Carter, the stadium will be packed. 

DFW has so many other sporting events for the UNT's, SMU's, and TCU's of the world to compete against.  And with the Rangers being in the playoffs and possibly the world series during the month of October, expect football attendance to take a hit.  That's just the way it is in the DFW area.

And being 98th out of 120 FBS teams in attendance is easy to do when a team has been down for 7-8 years.  Todd Dodge did more damage to UNT football than you could ever imagine.  The athletic director should have been shown the door too after Dodge was fired.  [b]And for the record, Todd Dodge was and is an outstanding person and role model for young men. [/b] He needs to stay in the high school coaching business.  Marble Falls is a great place for Todd.

[UNLV]

[quote name="Wreckem2011" post="1283741" timestamp="1348798069"]
Where are the WAC, Sunbelt, MWC invites ?
[/quote]As frustrating and desperate I want the invite, an invite today would be a Sunbelt invite. An invite in early half of 2013  could be a MWC invite. Go ahead and laugh. Lamar has already given Woodard a FBS salary.

[Green Menace]

[quote name="UNLV" post="1284135" timestamp="1348845442"]
[quote author=Wreckem2011 link=topic=103497.msg1283741#msg1283741 date=1348798069]
Where are the WAC, Sunbelt, MWC invites ?
[/quote]As frustrating and desperate I want the invite, an invite today would be a Sunbelt invite. An invite in early half of 2013  could be a MWC invite. Go ahead and laugh. Lamar has already given Woodard a FBS salary.
[/quote]
Nothing wrong with the Sun Belt.  Looking pretty stout this season.

[UNLV]

[quote name="puddin tane" post="1283893" timestamp="1348808997"]
why...even our beloved UNLV stadium opened in 1971 with seating for 15k...didnt expand  on that for 7 years...but..judging from this years attendance (15k avg-4 games), the expansion was not needed

of course..the largest crowd in history isnt the team, but the Grateful Dead...

desert mentality
[/quote]When I was there, the stadium was packed. And a new on campus stadium will be built. There are do-ers and excuse makers.

[jdcurran235]

I am fine with a SBC or MWC invite. 

It looks like bad weather for Sat.  Hopefully not. 

[UNLV]

[quote name="Green Menace" post="1284143" timestamp="1348845863"]
[quote author=UNLV link=topic=103497.msg1284135#msg1284135 date=1348845442]
[quote author=Wreckem2011 link=topic=103497.msg1283741#msg1283741 date=1348798069]
Where are the WAC, Sunbelt, MWC invites ?
[/quote]As frustrating and desperate I want the invite, an invite today would be a Sunbelt invite. An invite in early half of 2013  could be a MWC invite. Go ahead and laugh. Lamar has already given Woodard a FBS salary.
[/quote]
Nothing wrong with the Sun Belt.  Looking pretty stout this season.
[/quote]Then why is UNT leaving?  lol

Lamar football is not good and won't be good for a while under a passive Woodard, therefore Lamar needs to consider what is best for MBB...AKA keeping Pat Knight here as long as possible.

SBC football....low ranking
MWC football....low ranking
SBC MBB....low ranking  19th of 30 conferences
MWC MBB...High ranking  8th

Lamar in the MWC would play 3-4 games on national tv every season. SLC and SBC, NONE.
Pat Knight would stay more than 10 years at Lamar in the MWC. In the SBC, maybe 5. SLC, he is gone in 3 years.

[UNLV]

[quote name="jdcurran235" post="1284147" timestamp="1348846294"]
I am fine with a SBC or MWC invite. 

It looks like bad weather for Sat.  Hopefully not.
[/quote]SLC added private schools to public at a 4 to 1 ratio.
ORU, ACU, ICW, and HBU are all privates
UNO is the lone public.