jenks Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 As sports fans we all watch pro and college referees miss calls and about half of them get overturned with instant replay. So if mistakes are made on those levels then of course they are made at the High school level. Refs are human beings. Refs can change the outcome of a game whether if there call is correct or not. It happens and some will go your team’s way and some won’t. I can live with those calls. What I can’t stand is when a call is made even when none of them see the play. They get into their ref huddle and come up with a call. The game I was at last night a fumble occurred in the midst of a big gang tackle that most saw the player was down by contact. The back judge had fallen down, no bean bags were thrown, there was a big pileup then the opposing team comes out of the pile with the ball. The refs did not acknowledge a fumble until the coaching staff of the team that came out of the pile with the ball had a fit. They refs had their ref huddle and then gave the ball to the defending team. Cmon refs!
Indians08 Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 You must of been at the Cleveland vs Huffman game!
fan3662 Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 I have been reading several of the game threads this morning and learned that the losing team almost always complains about the refs. Is this just a coincidence or people looking for excuses? I would recomend that all the complainers spend there off time doing the training and performing the requirements needed so that they themselves can become refs.
ChampionEagles Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 It might would even be poor sportsmanship to complain about the refs.
dawgnut Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 [quote name="fan3662" post="1299249" timestamp="1350133547"]I have been reading several of the game threads this morning and learned that the losing team almost always complains about the refs. Is this just a coincidence or people looking for excuses? I would recomend that all the complainers spend there off time doing the training and performing the requirements needed so that they themselves can become refs.[/quote]Not always, at the Nederland, LCM game the officiating was pretty bad and we won. And the old "if you don't like the call become a ref" is kind of lame, I don't have to know how to play music to know when you don't know how to either ;D
ChampionEagles Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 [quote name="dawgnut" post="1299311" timestamp="1350137554"][quote author=fan3662 link=topic=104628.msg1299249#msg1299249 date=1350133547]I have been reading several of the game threads this morning and learned that the losing team almost always complains about the refs. Is this just a coincidence or people looking for excuses? I would recomend that all the complainers spend there off time doing the training and performing the requirements needed so that they themselves can become refs.[/quote]Not always, at the Nederland, LCM game the officiating was pretty bad and we won. And the old "if you don't like the call become a ref" is kind of lame, [b]I don't have to know how to play music to know when you don't know how to either [/b];D[/quote]And the world is full of people that think they can sing, and can't. Same with football fans and refs.
baddog Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 When the ref right on top of the play signals INT, and the ref 50 yards away runs across the field and signals incomplete pass, even the fans that the call favors have to wonder......then they say they will take it.
24 over par Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 i was at newton- ec game last night and the crew doing the game didnt have a single really fat ref first game in at least a couple of years
ChampionEagles Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 [quote name="24 over par" post="1299391" timestamp="1350142748"]i was at newton- ec game last night and the crew doing the game didnt have a single really fat ref first game in at least a couple of years[/quote]YOUR RIGHT! I hadn't thought about that. Great observation. That is funny! +1
LCM76 Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 [quote name="baddog" post="1299318" timestamp="1350138031"]When the ref right on top of the play signals INT, and the ref 50 yards away runs across the field and signals incomplete pass, even the fans that the call favors have to wonder......then they say they will take it.[/quote]Yeah, really makes you question the ref who signaled the INT when it was pretty clear the ball hit the ground.
WeedBegone Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 I dont think the Refs had any thing to do with the outcome of Da Brook game :-[
baddog Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 [quote name="LCM76" post="1299409" timestamp="1350144077"][quote author=baddog link=topic=104628.msg1299318#msg1299318 date=1350138031]When the ref right on top of the play signals INT, and the ref 50 yards away runs across the field and signals incomplete pass, even the fans that the call favors have to wonder......then they say they will take it.[/quote]Yeah, really makes you question the ref who signaled the INT when it was pretty clear the ball hit the ground.[/quote]I couldn't see it myself. Just an observation. Not bitter at all.
jenks Posted October 13, 2012 Author Report Posted October 13, 2012 :[quote name="ChampionEagles" post="1299305" timestamp="1350137058"]It might would even be poor sportsmanship to complain about the refs.[/quote] :o
jenks Posted October 13, 2012 Author Report Posted October 13, 2012 Like I said at the start. I can live with missed calls. I just don't like plays overturned when not one ref ever saw a fumble. If ~50% of the plays in the NFL are overturned with instant replay, one has to assume high school refs would be at the very least the same % of the time wrong like pro refs. When they change a call without it even being seen then they are just guessing. Leave the guessing out, They are already ~50% wrong without having to guess the plays they don't see.
jenks Posted October 13, 2012 Author Report Posted October 13, 2012 [quote name="jenks" post="1299573" timestamp="1350149844"] :[quote author=ChampionEagles link=topic=104628.msg1299305#msg1299305 date=1350137058]It might would even be poor sportsmanship to complain about the refs.[/quote] :o[/quote]You must not understand sportsmanship.
ChampionEagles Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 I know EC scored more on Warren than Newton did and I didn't see you commenting on their sportsmanship as you had on Newton's.
jenks Posted October 13, 2012 Author Report Posted October 13, 2012 EC beat Newton the last 2 years and is still a playoff team. Can't compare them to Warren. No problem with the score last night from me.
ChampionEagles Posted October 13, 2012 Report Posted October 13, 2012 [quote name="jenks" post="1299615" timestamp="1350151682"]EC beat Newton the last 2 years and is still a playoff team. Can't compare them to Warren. No problem with the score last night from me.[/quote] Your right. But I wasn't comparing them to Warren. When Newton beat Warren you come out with a very strongly worded opinion how it was poor sportsmanship to do that and blamed the coach. When EC beat Warren by scoring a lot more points and winning by a larger amount than Newton did, you were a no show on the sportsmanship thing with regard to EC.
jenks Posted October 13, 2012 Author Report Posted October 13, 2012 [quote name="ChampionEagles" post="1299624" timestamp="1350152006"][quote author=jenks link=topic=104628.msg1299615#msg1299615 date=1350151682]EC beat Newton the last 2 years and is still a playoff team. Can't compare them to Warren. No problem with the score last night from me.[/quote] Your right. But I wasn't comparing them to Warren. When Newton beat Warren you come out with a very strongly worded opinion how it was poor sportsmanship to do that and blamed the coach. When EC beat Warren by scoring a lot more points and winning by a larger amount than Newton did, you were a no show on the sportsmanship thing with regard to EC.[/quote]I probably just missed it. I was working rice festival last week. I will check it out.
TheRef Posted October 14, 2012 Report Posted October 14, 2012 Hey jenks, we have no instant replay, we have two less officials than college and NFL, and we are shorthanded. We could care less who wins the game as long as they play by the rules. A lot of the calls we make are judgement calls which means we have to make the decision and live with the decision that we make, but its our call not the guy sitting up in the stands, or the coach on the sideline that had a totally different angle and did not see it the same way that we did. We are doing our best so that the kids can play the game. That is right I said the kids. That is the reason we are there and the game could not be played without us. Yes we miss calls, and we make bad calls, and we live with the calls that we made. That ref that comes running from 50 yards away to tell me that the ball hit the ground, he had a different angle than I did and I thank him for pulling me off that call so that team does not get some cheap yardage that they did not earn. No I was not at your game last night, but whoever the guys were that called your game they did it for the kids, and if they messed up a call, it was not on purpose it was a human being making a mistake. I will be happy to let you have my striped shirt and my yellow flag and my rule book, and I will go sit in the stands and watch you. I guarantee next week I could find a reason to get on here and complain about something you did that I did not like. But that will never happen because if you did put on the stripes and you did get out on that field you would understand why things happen the way they do. So we will keep calling the game and making judgement calls and hopefully your team wins so I don't have to listen to the reason your team lost was because of the officials. You see we have been there and heard it time and time again. Guess somebody has to be blamed for the loss! But I will leave you with a quote from a famous coach from our area. If a team is not good enough to overcome a bad call made by an official, that team was probably not going to win in the first place! Coach Darrel Barbay Newton Eagles
BRONX ROX Posted October 14, 2012 Report Posted October 14, 2012 [quote name="TheRef" post="1300199" timestamp="1350188606"]Hey jenks, we have no instant replay, we have two less officials than college and NFL, and we are shorthanded. We could care less who wins the game as long as they play by the rules. A lot of the calls we make are judgement calls which means we have to make the decision and live with the decision that we make, but its our call not the guy sitting up in the stands, or the coach on the sideline that had a totally different angle and did not see it the same way that we did. We are doing our best so that the kids can play the game. That is right I said the kids. That is the reason we are there and the game could not be played without us. Yes we miss calls, and we make bad calls, and we live with the calls that we made. That ref that comes running from 50 yards away to tell me that the ball hit the ground, he had a different angle than I did and I thank him for pulling me off that call so that team does not get some cheap yardage that they did not earn. No I was not at your game last night, but whoever the guys were that called your game they did it for the kids, and if they messed up a call, it was not on purpose it was a human being making a mistake. I will be happy to let you have my striped shirt and my yellow flag and my rule book, and I will go sit in the stands and watch you. I guarantee next week I could find a reason to get on here and complain about something you did that I did not like. But that will never happen because if you did put on the stripes and you did get out on that field you would understand why things happen the way they do. So we will keep calling the game and making judgement calls and hopefully your team wins so I don't have to listen to the reason your team lost was because of the officials. You see we have been there and heard it time and time again. Guess somebody has to be blamed for the loss! But I will leave you with a quote from a famous coach from our area. If a team is not good enough to overcome a bad call made by an official, that team was probably not going to win in the first place! Coach Darrel Barbay Newton Eagles[/quote]APPARENTLY U AINT BEEN TO A LIV GAME AT HOME ;) BUT LIKE THE PEP TALK AND I HOPE YOU CONVINCED SOMEBODY ;)
incognito Posted October 14, 2012 Report Posted October 14, 2012 [quote name="jenks" post="1299219" timestamp="1350125839"]As sports fans we all watch pro and college referees miss calls and about half of them get overturned with instant replay. So if mistakes are made on those levels then of course they are made at the High school level. Refs are human beings. Refs can change the outcome of a game whether if there call is correct or not. It happens and some will go your team’s way and some won’t. I can live with those calls. What I can’t stand is when a call is made even when none of them see the play. They get into their ref huddle and come up with a call. The game I was at last night a fumble occurred in the midst of a big gang tackle that most saw the player was down by contact. The back judge had fallen down, no bean bags were thrown, there was a big pileup then the opposing team comes out of the pile with the ball. The refs did not acknowledge a fumble until the coaching staff of the team that came out of the pile with the ball had a fit. They refs had their ref huddle and then gave the ball to the defending team. Cmon refs![/quote]Sometimes the officials screw up and they know it and it is not a pleasent situation to be in. Look there are 22 fast-moving players, a faster-moving football and just four or five officials, while there might be a thousand or more sets of eyes in the stands and a couple of hundred along the sideline. officials are so close to the players that sometimes things occur out of their field of vision. Players block their view. Often, they are just looking the wrong way at the wrong instant.And, yes, sometimes officials, especially those in their first few years, are shaky about some of the rules, thus the huddle..But if you feel that strongly have a Coach or Administrator fill out a UIL/TASO Incident Reporting Form.
teeboan Posted October 14, 2012 Report Posted October 14, 2012 [quote name="baddog" post="1299318" timestamp="1350138031"]When the ref right on top of the play signals INT, and the ref 50 yards away runs across the field and signals incomplete pass, even the fans that the call favors have to wonder......then they say they will take it.[/quote]Well first off your judgement is horrible if you think I was 50 yards away. I was in the middle of the field and the pass was near the LOS near the numbers. Hardly 50 yards. Second the LJ covering the call (an excellent official) was screened out because the DB had his back to him.He couldn't possibly tell if he ball hit the ground. I saw the ball bounce when the player went down so I helped him. They call plays like that catches in every NFL game played. They have a camera to help we don't. We got that call right so what's your beef?
baddog Posted October 14, 2012 Report Posted October 14, 2012 Like I said, not bitter about the call, just that if the official was blocked from the play, why did he signal INT? I already said I could not see it from my vantage point. Don't get all hot and bothered.
hookem45 Posted October 14, 2012 Report Posted October 14, 2012 [quote name="Indians08" post="1299226" timestamp="1350127945"]You must of been at the Cleveland vs Huffman game![/quote]Lets put it this way Indians08, i am not a ref by far not at all but i know for a fact that were horribly missed calls both ways during that game and it was not just cleveland complaining. Those refs really did a bad job and it was the refs that won the game. Huffman won, all bs aside cleveland has a great squad. A lot of good athletes on the field now they all need to start working together not as individuals and utilized each other to make things happen. First time in my history of going to games to see the chain crew escorted off the field by the police. But ya if there was instant replay in HS it would b like college and professional 50% of it would be flipped. But I want you Indians08 to know that yes the refs were bad and we were not happy with the refs before because we have had that same crew at home if im not mistaking and it was the same problems.
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