The Purple Mass Exodus Poll

[PN-G bamatex]

[quote name="bigdog" post="1301414" timestamp="1350338761"]
Tell you what, next time you get to the playoffs in the 3rd or 4th round, take a poll of [u]everybody[/u] in the stadium and let me know if they are actually from PNG or from another town and just wanted to take in a playoff game. :)
[/quote]

???

Really? That's your response? I have to admit, I kind of expected better.

If I can't prove a point without polling, neither can you. You just struck out your own point.

And in any case, you still haven't responded to the fact that, if your argument was true (and I really don't think it is; you'll find some fans from other schools, but a few thousand at most), you're just crediting PN-G for being able to attract fans from across district lines.

[Bigdog]

Oh, and also,  I guess Stephenville and Plano don't have any fans that go to games either???

[PN-G bamatex]

[quote name="bigdog" post="1301418" timestamp="1350339030"]
Oh, and also,  I guess Stephenville and Plano don't have any fans that go to games either???
[/quote]

Now with Plano, you might have an argument. There's varying information out there about this. I've seen fans say that PN-G had 35,000+ of those fans and there have been news articles scanned in on other sites that report similar numbers, which means Plano would have brought around 15,000.

With Stephenville however, you wouldn't. I remember that crowd and their stupid little propane tanks with ball bearings in them. They had at most 5,000 of the 39,102 fans in attendance. PN-G's crowd dwarfed them.

[Bigdog]

[quote name="PN-G bamakid" post="1301417" timestamp="1350338929"]
[quote author=bigdog link=topic=104664.msg1301414#msg1301414 date=1350338761]
Tell you what, next time you get to the playoffs in the 3rd or 4th round, take a poll of [u]everybody[/u] in the stadium and let me know if they are actually from PNG or from another town and just wanted to take in a playoff game. :)
[/quote]

???

Really? That's your response? I have to admit, I kind of expected better.

If I can't prove a point without polling, neither can you. You just struck out your own point.

And in any case, you still haven't responded to the fact that, if your argument was true (and I really don't think it is; you'll find some fans from other schools, but a few thousand at most), you're just crediting PN-G for being able to attract fans from across district lines.
[/quote]

And you made mine.  Your implication that the majority of the fans are wearing purple implied that they are PNG fans, not fans from other teams.  Not to mention the fans from the opposing team.  Also, if its a state championship game, there are no other games to attend, so people will come to see the last game.  Like you said without a poll, you can't prove that they are PNG fans.  So why keep defending it ?

[PN-G bamatex]

[quote name="bigdog" post="1301424" timestamp="1350339602"]
[quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104664.msg1301417#msg1301417 date=1350338929]
[quote author=bigdog link=topic=104664.msg1301414#msg1301414 date=1350338761]
Tell you what, next time you get to the playoffs in the 3rd or 4th round, take a poll of [u]everybody[/u] in the stadium and let me know if they are actually from PNG or from another town and just wanted to take in a playoff game. :)
[/quote]

???

Really? That's your response? I have to admit, I kind of expected better.

If I can't prove a point without polling, neither can you. You just struck out your own point.

And in any case, you still haven't responded to the fact that, if your argument was true (and I really don't think it is; you'll find some fans from other schools, but a few thousand at most), you're just crediting PN-G for being able to attract fans from across district lines.
[/quote]

And you made mine.  Your implication that the majority of the fans are wearing purple implied that they are PNG fans, not fans from other teams.  Not to mention the fans from the opposing team.  Also, if its a state championship game, there are no other games to attend, so people will come to see the last game.  Like you said without a poll, you can't prove that they are PNG fans.  So why keep defending it ?
[/quote]

... and you can't prove that they're not without a poll. At least I have empirical evidence; you have no evidence of any kind.

Answer me this: have you ever attended a PN-G game wearing purple? Has any Nederland fan? I think most would say the color purple would burn their skin and show up in black and gold, if they show up at all. I know the only Nederland fans I know that have ever come to our playoff games weren't wearing purple. And likewise, I've attended Nederland, WO-S and Vidor games wearing purple.

[Bigdog]

Oh, and here is a more up to date attendance record list, since the PNG site only lists up to 2006:

Attendance Game Site Year
49,953 Plano vs. Port Neches-Groves, Texas Stadium 1977*
46,339 Southlake Carroll vs. Euless Trinity, Texas Stadium 2006
45,790 Highland Park vs. Waco, Cotton Bowl 1945*
45,000 Houston Washington vs. Galveston, Rice Stadium 1968
45,000 Dallas Adams vs. Richardson, Cotton Bowl 1967
43,369 Aledo vs. Manvel, Cowboys Stadium 2011*
43,321 Pearland vs. Euless Trinity, Cowboys Stadium 2010*
42,896 Southlake Carroll vs. Fort Bend Hightower, Cowboys Stadium 2011*
41,368 Katy vs. Pearland, Rice Stadium 2010
39,102 Garland vs. Katy, Astrodome 1999*
39,102 Stephenville vs. Port Neches-Groves, Astrodome 1999*
38,570 Port Neches-Groves vs. Houston Kashmere, Astrodome 1977
38,374 Plano vs. Highland Park, Texas Stadium 1980
38,000 Odessa vs. San Antonio Jefferson, Memorial Stadium (Austin) 1946
37,747 Cibolo Steele vs. Denton Guyer, Cowboys Stadium 2010*
36,000 Fort Bend Willowridge vs. Houston Yates, Rice Stadium 1988
*state championship game

source: [url=http://txprepsfootball.com/archives/state-records]http://txprepsfootball.com/archives/state-records[/url]

[Bigdog]

[quote name="PN-G bamakid" post="1301428" timestamp="1350339817"]
[quote author=bigdog link=topic=104664.msg1301424#msg1301424 date=1350339602]
[quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104664.msg1301417#msg1301417 date=1350338929]
[quote author=bigdog link=topic=104664.msg1301414#msg1301414 date=1350338761]
Tell you what, next time you get to the playoffs in the 3rd or 4th round, take a poll of [u]everybody[/u] in the stadium and let me know if they are actually from PNG or from another town and just wanted to take in a playoff game. :)
[/quote]

???

Really? That's your response? I have to admit, I kind of expected better.

If I can't prove a point without polling, neither can you. You just struck out your own point.

And in any case, you still haven't responded to the fact that, if your argument was true (and I really don't think it is; you'll find some fans from other schools, but a few thousand at most), you're just crediting PN-G for being able to attract fans from across district lines.
[/quote]

And you made mine.  Your implication that the majority of the fans are wearing purple implied that they are PNG fans, not fans from other teams.  Not to mention the fans from the opposing team.  Also, if its a state championship game, there are no other games to attend, so people will come to see the last game.  Like you said without a poll, you can't prove that they are PNG fans.  So why keep defending it ?
[/quote]

... and you can't prove that they're not without a poll. At least I have empirical evidence; you have no evidence of any kind.

Answer me this: have you ever attended a PN-G game wearing purple? Has any Nederland fan? I think most would say the color purple would burn their skin and show up in black and gold, if they show up at all. I know the only Nederland fans I know that have ever come to our playoff games weren't wearing purple. And likewise, I've attended Nederland, WO-S and Vidor games wearing purple.
[/quote]

I have gone to maybe 2 games, but I didn't wear my Ned colors.  There are probably people from other schools that can say the same.

[PN-G bamatex]

[quote name="bigdog" post="1301429" timestamp="1350339834"]
Oh, and here is a more up to date attendance record list, since the PNG site only lists up to 2006:

Attendance Game Site Year
49,953 Plano vs. Port Neches-Groves, Texas Stadium 1977*
46,339 Southlake Carroll vs. Euless Trinity, Texas Stadium 2006
45,790 Highland Park vs. Waco, Cotton Bowl 1945*
45,000 Houston Washington vs. Galveston, Rice Stadium 1968
45,000 Dallas Adams vs. Richardson, Cotton Bowl 1967
43,369 Aledo vs. Manvel, Cowboys Stadium 2011*
43,321 Pearland vs. Euless Trinity, Cowboys Stadium 2010*
42,896 Southlake Carroll vs. Fort Bend Hightower, Cowboys Stadium 2011*
41,368 Katy vs. Pearland, Rice Stadium 2010
39,102 Garland vs. Katy, Astrodome 1999*
39,102 Stephenville vs. Port Neches-Groves, Astrodome 1999*
38,570 Port Neches-Groves vs. Houston Kashmere, Astrodome 1977
38,374 Plano vs. Highland Park, Texas Stadium 1980
38,000 Odessa vs. San Antonio Jefferson, Memorial Stadium (Austin) 1946
37,747 Cibolo Steele vs. Denton Guyer, Cowboys Stadium 2010*
36,000 Fort Bend Willowridge vs. Houston Yates, Rice Stadium 1988
*state championship game

source: [url=http://txprepsfootball.com/archives/state-records]http://txprepsfootball.com/archives/state-records[/url]
[/quote]

How is that relevant? It doesn't change anything. 3 of the top 15 records (counting one tie) in high school football belong to games in which PN-G played, including the Astrodome's HS record and the Texas state record, which is widely considered to be the national record.

Thanks for citing my sources, I guess....

[quote author=bigdog link=topic=104664.msg1301432#msg1301432 date=1350339940]
I have gone to maybe 2 games, but I didn't wear my Ned colors.  There are probably people from other schools that can say the same.
[/quote]

Ok, but you still weren't in purple, and they probably weren't either. And the fans of other schools that I know who have attended PN-G games were all wearing their school colors. Those include Nederland, Vidor, Ozen and Central fans, just to name a few. I can also think of two who opted for college shirts.

[OldNedDog]

I was at those two games in 1977 wearing a purple shirt.

Of course I was a snotty nosed brat then that didn't know any better. All I knew was we were going to watch my cousin play in a football game.  ;D

[NDNation]

After reading a couple post...thats just sad...the Nederland fans just get to WATCH the big games being played.  :'(

[PN-G bamatex]

[quote name="NDNation" post="1301445" timestamp="1350341511"]
After reading a couple post...thats just sad...the Nederland fans just get to WATCH the big games being played.  :'(
[/quote]

We have to be fair here. In 2000, the year after our last state championship run, an impressive Nederland team suffered a heartbreaking 7-6 loss in the state semi-final to a Bay City team that won the championship that year with ease. That qualifies as a big game.

But, it wasn't in front of a record-setting crowd. ;D

[NDOMAKONG]

[quote name="PN-G bamakid" post="1301415" timestamp="1350338779"]
[quote author=NDOMAKONG link=topic=104664.msg1301408#msg1301408 date=1350338471]
I simply stated that PNG has mostly great fans and that even a loyal following such as PNG has fair weather fans in the group.  My bad on starting the record attendance discussion, it was meant in jest, but there are a lot of folks who aren't able to Jest.
[/quote]

There's no offense taken here, and none intended towards you (or anyone else, for that matter). I agree with your statement; PN-G, just like every other fan base, is going to find out who's a fairweather fan and who's not during bad years. But bigdog is saying PN-G fans keep bringing this up like it's the only thing we have to tout. My only point in relation to you was that it wasn't a PN-G fan who brought it up.
[/quote]
Yep, there are some who seem to rise up to kick you when you're down.  I should not have commented, this is a tough year for PNG.  No sense in me piling on, my bad.  And you are right, we Ned fans brought it up or at least I did.  Maybe some subconscious attendance envy.

[Bigdog]

[quote name="PN-G bamakid" post="1301447" timestamp="1350341816"]
[quote author=NDNation link=topic=104664.msg1301445#msg1301445 date=1350341511]
After reading a couple post...thats just sad...the Nederland fans just get to WATCH the big games being played.  :'(
[/quote]

We have to be fair here. In 2000, the year after our last state championship run, an impressive Nederland team suffered a heartbreaking 7-6 loss in the state semi-final to a Bay City team that won the championship that year with ease. That qualifies as a big game.

But, it wasn't in front of a record-setting crowd. ;D
[/quote]

You know why Ned fans keep bringing this up?  Because they know it will get a rise out of you and the PNG people.    Why?  Because when the scoreboard doesn't end up going your way you can at least say " we have an attendance record".  The other question is what will happen when the record falls? ( and it will).  What will you cling to then?  BTW, Ned was in the semi-finals in 2001,  PNG was watching them in the playoffs for the next 3 years after 99.

[PN-G bamatex]

[quote name="bigdog" post="1301477" timestamp="1350345871"]
[quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104664.msg1301447#msg1301447 date=1350341816]
[quote author=NDNation link=topic=104664.msg1301445#msg1301445 date=1350341511]
After reading a couple post...thats just sad...the Nederland fans just get to WATCH the big games being played.  :'(
[/quote]

We have to be fair here. In 2000, the year after our last state championship run, an impressive Nederland team suffered a heartbreaking 7-6 loss in the state semi-final to a Bay City team that won the championship that year with ease. That qualifies as a big game.

But, it wasn't in front of a record-setting crowd. ;D
[/quote]

You know why Ned fans keep bringing this up?  Because they know it will get a rise out of you and the PNG people.    Why?  Because when the scoreboard doesn't end up going your way you can at least say " we have an attendance record".  The other question is what will happen when the record falls? ( and it will).  What will you cling to then?  BTW, Ned was in the semi-finals in 2001,  PNG was watching them in the playoffs for the next 3 years after 99.
[/quote]

Ok, so it was 2001. Sorry, I never saw much reason to pay attention to Nederland's history - not much there beyond the last fifteen years or so. ;D

Oh wait, I forgot about Nederland's only state championship appearance back in the '60s. ;D

Still, the point stands. I'm surprised you would take issue with that statement. I was trying to give Nederland its credit where it was due.

And when the record falls - and yes, I know it will - we'll just go about touting the new record we set that broke it. ;D

[Bigdog]

I guess you have to have something to hold on to.  You might want to erase the last 15 years, at least as far Nederland goes. :)

[PN-G bamatex]

[quote name="bigdog" post="1301479" timestamp="1350346282"]
I guess you have to have something to hold on to.  You might want to erase the last 15 years, at least as far Nederland goes. :)
[/quote]

I'm fine with y'all having those fifteen years. If we erase those, we erase some of our own best seasons (1999, 2003, 2007, 2009 and 2010 come to mind).

Besides, it'll take at least 15 more for Nederland to catch up to us in MCM, and Neumann has to retire some time. ;D

[GoDogs27]

PN-G sucks... And your mascot looks like a fruitcake fairy....

[PN-G bamatex]

[quote name="GoDogs27" post="1301487" timestamp="1350347110"]
PN-G sucks... And your mascot looks like a fruitcake fairy....
[/quote]

... says a grown human being that enjoys barking like a dog. ;D

[GoDogs27]

I'd rather bark than dance around in boots with bells, chaps, a loin cloth, and feathers in my hair. All that he needs is a purple boa. THAT my friends is PRIDE....    :D

[PN-G bamatex]

[quote name="GoDogs27" post="1301494" timestamp="1350347465"]
I'd rather bark than dance around in boots with bells, chaps, a loin cloth, and feathers in my hair. All that he needs is a purple boa. THAT my friends is PRIDE....    :D
[/quote]

He has black under armour on under the loin cloth. As a former Nederland football player, you of all people should respect that.

But hey, sometimes you have to do extreme things to get a premier spot in the Texas State History Museum. ;D

[usedtobe]

[quote name="19bulldog88" post="1301435" timestamp="1350340223"]
I was at those two games in 1977 wearing a purple shirt.

Of course I was a snotty nosed brat then that didn't know any better. All I knew was we were going to watch my cousin play in a football game.  ;D
[/quote]

You know, some things just don't change. ;D ;D 8)

[OldNedDog]

[quote name="usedtobe" post="1301519" timestamp="1350348678"]
[quote author=19bulldog88 link=topic=104664.msg1301435#msg1301435 date=1350340223]
I was at those two games in 1977 wearing a purple shirt.

Of course I was a snotty nosed brat then that didn't know any better. All I knew was we were going to watch my cousin play in a football game.  ;D
[/quote]

You know, some things just don't change. ;D ;D 8)
[/quote]

LOL

[dustoff03]

[quote name="GoDogs27" post="1301494" timestamp="1350347465"]
I'd rather bark than dance around in boots with bells, chaps, a loin cloth, and feathers in my hair. All that he needs is a purple boa. THAT my friends is PRIDE....    :D
[/quote]
omg......rofl............that was funny, i don't care who you are. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Bigdog]

[quote name="PN-G bamakid" post="1301481" timestamp="1350346484"]
[quote author=bigdog link=topic=104664.msg1301479#msg1301479 date=1350346282]
I guess you have to have something to hold on to.  You might want to erase the last 15 years, at least as far Nederland goes. :)
[/quote]

I'm fine with y'all having those fifteen years. If we erase those, we erase some of our own best seasons (1999, 2003, 2007, 2009 and 2010 come to mind).

Besides, it'll take at least 15 more for Nederland to catch up to us in MCM, and Neumann has to retire some time. ;D
[/quote]

You can always hope :)

[PN-G bamatex]

[quote name="bigdog" post="1301553" timestamp="1350350550"]
[quote author=PN-G bamakid link=topic=104664.msg1301481#msg1301481 date=1350346484]
[quote author=bigdog link=topic=104664.msg1301479#msg1301479 date=1350346282]
I guess you have to have something to hold on to.  You might want to erase the last 15 years, at least as far Nederland goes. :)
[/quote]

I'm fine with y'all having those fifteen years. If we erase those, we erase some of our own best seasons (1999, 2003, 2007, 2009 and 2010 come to mind).

Besides, it'll take at least 15 more for Nederland to catch up to us in MCM, and Neumann has to retire some time. ;D
[/quote]

You can always hope :)
[/quote]

How old is Neumann, anyways? He's got to be in the mid to late 50s.