WOSgrad Posted October 26, 2012 Report Posted October 26, 2012 22-3A game from Longhorn Stadium in Tarkington at 7:30 pm
TROJANSWIN Posted October 28, 2012 Report Posted October 28, 2012 [quote name="sports fan 9" post="1313015" timestamp="1351444042"]Wow! Team on the rise huh???[/quote]Sadly, in comparison to past years, this is an improvement.
TeamJagUS Posted October 28, 2012 Report Posted October 28, 2012 [quote name="TROJANSWIN" post="1313158" timestamp="1351459319"][quote author=sports fan 9 link=topic=105287.msg1313015#msg1313015 date=1351444042]Wow! Team on the rise huh???[/quote]Sadly, in comparison to past years, this is an improvement.[/quote]??? How exactly?
TROJANSWIN Posted October 28, 2012 Report Posted October 28, 2012 [quote name="TeamJag-US" post="1313163" timestamp="1351459693"][quote author=TROJANSWIN link=topic=105287.msg1313158#msg1313158 date=1351459319][quote author=sports fan 9 link=topic=105287.msg1313015#msg1313015 date=1351444042]Wow! Team on the rise huh???[/quote]Sadly, in comparison to past years, this is an improvement.[/quote]??? How exactly?[/quote]Tarkington actually won a game this year. In past years they have had 0 wins
TeamJagUS Posted October 28, 2012 Report Posted October 28, 2012 [quote name="TROJANSWIN" post="1313165" timestamp="1351459839"][quote author=TeamJag-US link=topic=105287.msg1313163#msg1313163 date=1351459693][quote author=TROJANSWIN link=topic=105287.msg1313158#msg1313158 date=1351459319][quote author=sports fan 9 link=topic=105287.msg1313015#msg1313015 date=1351444042]Wow! Team on the rise huh???[/quote]Sadly, in comparison to past years, this is an improvement.[/quote]??? How exactly?[/quote]Tarkington actually won a game this year. In past years they have had 0 wins[/quote]That is not an improvement in program, that is an improvement in schedule. Did they play better in the first 4 games? Sure, but they didn't maintain that at all and more importantly didn't improve on what worked. That's a system failure not a player personnel issue. Of course you're entitled to think otherwise as I am entitled to think not so we'd just go back and forth all day, I just don't understand why this level of poor performance is defended by "well its bad, but better than the pathetic state it was allowed to slide to" and "give it yet ANOTHER year". It's that mentality that has put them here. That complacency will keep them there.There were multiple win seasons in 08 and 09 (ok, 2 wins each) with at least one district win in each. So "improved over" 10-11 is not saying much even IF it's true.
Hupernikomen Posted October 28, 2012 Report Posted October 28, 2012 [quote name="TeamJag-US" post="1313188" timestamp="1351461862"][quote author=TROJANSWIN link=topic=105287.msg1313165#msg1313165 date=1351459839][quote author=TeamJag-US link=topic=105287.msg1313163#msg1313163 date=1351459693][quote author=TROJANSWIN link=topic=105287.msg1313158#msg1313158 date=1351459319][quote author=sports fan 9 link=topic=105287.msg1313015#msg1313015 date=1351444042]Wow! Team on the rise huh???[/quote]Sadly, in comparison to past years, this is an improvement.[/quote]??? How exactly?[/quote]Tarkington actually won a game this year. In past years they have had 0 wins[/quote]That is not an improvement in program, that is an improvement in schedule. Did they play better in the first 4 games? Sure, but they didn't maintain that at all and more importantly didn't improve on what worked. That's a system failure not a player personnel issue. Of course you're entitled to think otherwise as I am entitled to think not so we'd just go back and forth all day, I just don't understand why this level of poor performance is defended by "well its bad, but better than the pathetic state it was allowed to slide to" and "give it yet ANOTHER year". It's that mentality that has put them here. That complacency will keep them there.There were multiple win seasons in 08 and 09 (ok, 2 wins each) with at least one district win in each. So "improved over" 10-11 is not saying much even IF it's true.[/quote]Those from Tarkington have noticed the improvement. Lower levels are performing good. It will translate to future success, comparatively speaking.
trojansgo04 Posted October 28, 2012 Report Posted October 28, 2012 Yeah, I believe the current crop of sophomores(i believe alot are on varsity) are all kids who were in 7th grade when Carpenter got there, and are the first group of kids that have been truly developed at the Jr. High level by him and his staff. For sophomores on varsity they seem to be doing well. So yes, I would say definitely an improvement.
twobag Posted October 29, 2012 Report Posted October 29, 2012 So in two years when the sophomore are seniors they will compete for a playoff spot?
Hupernikomen Posted October 29, 2012 Report Posted October 29, 2012 [quote name="sports fan 9" post="1313354" timestamp="1351473819"]So in two years when the sophomore are seniors they will compete for a playoff spot? [/quote]I dunno. Hope so.
indian15/16 Posted October 29, 2012 Report Posted October 29, 2012 [quote name="sports fan 9" post="1313354" timestamp="1351473819"]So in two years when the sophomore are seniors they will compete for a playoff spot? [/quote]No.... ::)
TeamJagUS Posted October 29, 2012 Report Posted October 29, 2012 [quote name="sports fan 9" post="1313354" timestamp="1351473819"]So in two years when the sophomore are seniors they will compete for a playoff spot? [/quote]That would be nice but for now just competing for a DISTRICT WIN would be nice. Lower levels have been doing "good" for a number of years, it's always "next year".
twobag Posted October 29, 2012 Report Posted October 29, 2012 What improvements are you seeing? Please tell me. No one else can see them.
CMurder75 Posted October 29, 2012 Report Posted October 29, 2012 To say Tarkington has made no improvement is silly. they may not be as competitive as people once thought they were, but it's not a easy path to correcting many years of losing. I see improvements, not just the varsity level, but especially on the JV, freshman and Middle school level. I think they've got a shot to be real competitive in a few years if they keep at it. those boys work hard and play harder that's something that's never in doubt watching them play on Friday nights. Sometimes you can't just go by W's and L's. They'll improve to start getting more W's and less L's in the future.
twobag Posted October 29, 2012 Report Posted October 29, 2012 I will agree the kids do play hard and give effort. Correct me if I'm wrong...most small schools have their better freshmen and sophomore on varsity so its hard to judge the JV teams. It just seems the progress is talked about but doesn't show on the field. It sure didn't take Shepherd long to turn it around.
trojansgo04 Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 [quote name="sports fan 9" post="1313927" timestamp="1351537803"]I will agree the kids do play hard and give effort. Correct me if I'm wrong...most small schools have their better freshmen and sophomore on varsity so its hard to judge the JV teams. It just seems the progress is talked about but doesn't show on the field. It sure didn't take Shepherd long to turn it around.[/quote]Ha comparing Tarkington to any school in the state let alone district doesn't really apply. Shepherd has had good seasons before, heck they were mighty competitive a few years back. Tarkington to the best of my knowledge is fighting the uphill climb of historically never even making the playoffs (at least to the best of my knowledge, if someone knows of them making the playoffs please do tell).
Hupernikomen Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 [quote name="trojansgo04" post="1314189" timestamp="1351558034"][quote author=sports fan 9 link=topic=105287.msg1313927#msg1313927 date=1351537803]I will agree the kids do play hard and give effort. Correct me if I'm wrong...most small schools have their better freshmen and sophomore on varsity so its hard to judge the JV teams. It just seems the progress is talked about but doesn't show on the field. It sure didn't take Shepherd long to turn it around.[/quote]Ha comparing Tarkington to any school in the state let alone district doesn't really apply. Shepherd has had good seasons before, heck they were mighty competitive a few years back. Tarkington to the best of my knowledge is fighting the uphill climb of historically never even making the playoffs (at least to the best of my knowledge, if someone knows of them making the playoffs please do tell).[/quote]1953. The one and only.
belle-mere Posted October 30, 2012 Report Posted October 30, 2012 [quote name="Hupernikomen" post="1314204" timestamp="1351558761"][quote author=trojansgo04 link=topic=105287.msg1314189#msg1314189 date=1351558034][quote author=sports fan 9 link=topic=105287.msg1313927#msg1313927 date=1351537803]I will agree the kids do play hard and give effort. Correct me if I'm wrong...most small schools have their better freshmen and sophomore on varsity so its hard to judge the JV teams. It just seems the progress is talked about but doesn't show on the field. It sure didn't take Shepherd long to turn it around.[/quote]Ha comparing Tarkington to any school in the state let alone district doesn't really apply. Shepherd has had good seasons before, heck they were mighty competitive a few years back. Tarkington to the best of my knowledge is fighting the uphill climb of historically never even making the playoffs (at least to the best of my knowledge, if someone knows of them making the playoffs please do tell).[/quote]1953. The onne and only. [/quote]This group of kids were on their way to improvement, when the old, losing mindset crept in after big losses to strong teams, Coldspring and Cleveland. They will have to find a way out of that attitude to find a measure of success, but I always like to believe it can happen, especially to a long-time underdog.
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