Does Coahing make a difference in winning and how far you go

[Knoddy1]

I've watched Nederland take out teams in the playoffs that were laced with D1 prospects and our team not have anyone that was going to play at the next level.  Neumann teams for whatever they may have lacked in sheer talent they made it up with teamwork and playing smart. (they got the smart part from good coaches)

[FrodoNDN]

[quote name="Txdragon" post="1319770" timestamp="1352047331"]
Good talent will make bad coaching still look good. Great coaching will make bad talent look good.
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[Skilled95]

When Jeff Stewart took over Liberty's program in the early 90's they had a streak of 10 consecutive years making the playoffs.. They also really didn't have great size or good skill players year in and out, but he had all his players buy and trust into the system...

[Guest donniebarnwell]

Most ridiculous post ever. If coaching didnt make a difference Houston Yates and Dallas Kimball would win state every year.

[Guest incognito123]

Absolutley.  Look no further than Hull Daisetta this year.  Picked to finish last in district, no one expected anything out of this group of boys.  Coach Finney came in, hired Coach Huckaby (after Ofield foolishly pushed him out), and look at HD now.  Rolling through district and doing it without one of their biggest guns from last year.  He was an undisciplined player, didn't want to take direction from Finney and Huck, and quit.  Finney and Huck let him walk.  Other players were shocked, but it was the right thing to do.  HD has gotten better since that happened.  Coaching makes all the difference.

[BrenhamFan]

If it didn't, HS coaches wouldn't be making 6 digit salaries now days.  That's right, some coaches make more than $100,000/year. 

[badndn]

Neuman is on that $100k list. Allman was lured away from his alma mater and one of the most distinguished programs in the country in Odessa Permian where he had turned them back into a 5A power. Austin Westlake gave him $125K and he led the to state title game year 1 while Permian has dropped back into the pack. Musta been the coaching. And the money!

[mypooh]

I also think the fans need to realize that anytime you lose a bunch of letterman not just starters that counts to. The most forgotten postions to me in football is the offensive line and defensive lines. Most fans can name all the returning skill players but fail to realize the importance of line play.It's not a lot of games on any level of football that controls the trenches and limits the turnovers that Lose the game. With that being said a good head coach is able to adapt to the type of team that he has coming back.

[WeedBegone]

If based o talent alone-then PAM would have been advancing in play-offs every year several years back.
Also, WB without Stump would have been eliminated several times during the same period.

Timing for new coaches in a program is important also.  I believe this has happented to WB this year.  One or two seasons is not enough to determine if a new coaching staff makes the difference.

[mypooh]

[quote name="WeedBegone" post="1320733" timestamp="1352136226"]
If based o talent alone-then PAM would have been advancing in play-offs every year several years back.
Also, WB without Stump would have been eliminated several times during the same period.

Timing for new coaches in a program is important also.  I believe this has happented to WB this year.  One or two seasons is not enough to determine if a new coaching staff makes the difference.
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This is true and on all levels College and pro

[I_Can_Do_It_ALL!]

Baker was a legend? He beat WOS, sure did? Did he ever beat Liberty? He made it to the second round once? Did he ever have back to back 9-3 season...
So the fact that Huffman was bumped out of the playoff by Navosota was purely a case of getting out-coached? Coldspring beating Huffman boils down to coaching? (Did anyone know that Huffman's leading receiver was hurt the week before and out for the year, and they played a pretty phyiscal Cleveland team that LIMITED Coldspring to 35 or so points?)
Coldspring losing to Navasota this year was Coldspring getting out-coached?

[b]Coaching does make a difference, no doubt. [/b] But so does athletic ability, injuries, and breaks in games. A tipped ball here and there, a bad call by an official, and a key injury can all change a game.
WOS having 'seven D-1 recruits' on defense is a case of out-coaching teams?
I think the good coaches are the ones that build consistentcy and produce results. It's not always about Jims and Joes or X's and O's, it's about a combination of the two... And when you don't have the Jims and Joes, GOOD COACHES still put a good product on the field!!

It sounds like someone's 'little league All-American' isn't getting any playing time? 

[captainclaude]

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In the larger schools the talent level is more equal as they pull from a large student population. A talented group of players is more impactful in the smaller schools which is why teams such as Groveton with 17 seniors in 2010 was very good and then went back down. Deweyville has a very good junior class and they have done well this year and will do better next year. SA has 17 seniors who have been on varsity starting as sophmores, they were 3-7 that year, 8-3 last year, and will make a deeper run this year. Next year SA will step back. Alto is where SA was last year, they will be better next year.

Good coaching will always maximize what is available and minimize the damage in lean years. Keith Gardner will not be a better coach next year but he will make it deeper in the playoffs than this year. Wayne Gandy was no less of a coach the last 2 years than he is now , yet everyone was questioning his offense and coaching abilities the last 2 years. Now Joaquin is undefeated and ranked #5 in the state. He is doing the same thing this year that produced losing records the last two years. The only thing that changed was the talent level on the team.

Every coach knows that success comes down to the players. Without players who can play they will not have success.
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I agree, however there are great coaches, good coaches, okay coaches and bad coaches, the question was do they make a differance and the answer is for sure YES!

[bulldog1984]

was watching tony dungy last night on sunday night football and he said dallas has the talent to win a superbowl but talent dont win superbowls. he said coaching and team play wins.  so true !