gary-us-bonds Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 Sorry if this has been discussed before, but how exactly did they start the season off so poorly when they tied for the state championship? Was looking at this youtube clip and they look like they have a college defense nearly the way they are flying to the ball.[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL0-nTUqMbk&feature=related]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL0-nTUqMbk&feature=related[/url]
zeroturn Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 [quote name="panamamyers" post="1330717" timestamp="1352938214"]Sorry if this has been discussed before, but how exactly did they start the season off so poorly when they tied for the state championship? Was looking at this youtube clip and they look like they have a college defense nearly the way they are flying to the ball.[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL0-nTUqMbk&feature=related]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL0-nTUqMbk&feature=related[/url][/quote]Finnis Vanover and lots of talent on that d
bhsfan Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 yea i rember that game.i just saw the qb from permian that game a couple months ago
Razor Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 that French D was nasty and carried them all the way to a co-championship, not that they did not have some players on O as well, because they did
Bulldog8 Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 I played against the QB for 2 years, he was a stud.. We actually had a chance to win our game against them in 84 if it was not for 2 missed field goals.
H-D BOBCAT 55 Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 I think Hull-Daisetta played Beaumont French back in the day?
bedelmon Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 I played on that team. QB Mark Guilbeaux ran about a 4.4 40. When we spread it out, he had the whole field. Melvin Turner a 6'4" TE, Willie Williams WR, Kieth Wycoff WR all ran about 4.5 40's. So many good recievers to cover and Guilbeaux was soo fast and could throw the ball 60-65 yards in the air, just too much. Also had Paul Jones, great speed, and Robert Kiel (also Defensive player of the year that year at MLB) at RB. Both power runners, not alot of juking. I was probably 2nd largest offensive line at 220. Our center Johnny Behannon was about 155 lbs and guards Mike Rodenberg and Dale Jenkins went about 170 lbs. Very small line but we were all benching around 300 lbs. Also goes to show you how good the district was that year. Finis Vanover is just a great motivator and defensive style coach. Very aggressive. I can stll hear coach Steve Shaver's speeches before each of those games. Just awesome all the way around. I remember an interview with coach Vanover on the news that year, he said "its easy to coach defense in the North End of Beaumont, the aggression is already there". Derrick Wilson DE, Thad Nobles at nose guard were both benching around 400 lbs. We had a reunion for that team back in 2009. We called all 3 news channels, none showed up. Coach Vanover stood up in front of us and even as adults he was able to make all of us want to go to war for him. I think its a dimeanor that only certain coaches have and to this day and I believe he is one of the best. He took a bunch of kids that had never been anywhere or done anything and he and coach Shaver made us Champions. It says Co-Champions, but it has never felt that way to me.
gary-us-bonds Posted November 15, 2012 Author Report Posted November 15, 2012 Thanks for the information bedelmon.Can you give a little more insight into what started clicking once the playoffs rolled around?Just some bad luck in the regular season? Couple of starters injured hat came back? Offense started gelling a little more? Easier competition in the playoffs? :P
thadnobles Posted November 16, 2012 Report Posted November 16, 2012 I,m Thad Nobles, I played on that team in 1984. Its really not a hard to believe story if you knew the true history of that team. To be honest that team was a group of two classes which had only lost one game during their 9th and 10th grade. One group of them also didnt lose a game their 8th grade year. The truth is that we was always a great team, just taken for granted. We had a great QB the next year that would gotten us back there but they didnt play him. He lose one game his whole time as a QB RIP Mike. Look no one can tell why about some things but the truth is Beaumont has always been the Football City unrated. One thing that made that team is we played our whole life together before high.
gary-us-bonds Posted November 16, 2012 Author Report Posted November 16, 2012 Appreciate the input Mr. Nobles.I wish there was more footage of this team on youtube. My Dad always told me the offense was something to watch as well.
SFA85 Posted November 16, 2012 Report Posted November 16, 2012 Sr. year watching French from PA. I remember when Anderson from Permian got flipped @the goal line from a vicious hit and all I could say was "here comes Mojo....." French did their thing 2 football seasons before becoming Central....
Bulldog8 Posted November 16, 2012 Report Posted November 16, 2012 I remeber playing against Guilbeaux when we were sophmores and I stopped cover the recievers after about 50 yards and he did throw it about 60+in the air for a TD... I could not believe it
thadnobles Posted November 16, 2012 Report Posted November 16, 2012 Iknow it someone with a copy of that team. Im willing to pay good money for a copy of that game
griff Posted November 16, 2012 Report Posted November 16, 2012 [quote name="bedelmon" post="1331107" timestamp="1352991734"]I played on that team. QB Mark Guilbeaux ran about a 4.4 40. When we spread it out, he had the whole field. Melvin Turner a 6'4" TE, Willie Williams WR, Kieth Wycoff WR all ran about 4.5 40's. So many good recievers to cover and Guilbeaux was soo fast and could throw the ball 60-65 yards in the air, just too much. Also had Paul Jones, great speed, and Robert Kiel (also Defensive player of the year that year at MLB) at RB. Both power runners, not alot of juking. I was probably 2nd largest offensive line at 220. Our center Johnny Behannon was about 155 lbs and guards Mike Rodenberg and Dale Jenkins went about 170 lbs. Very small line but we were all benching around 300 lbs. Also goes to show you how good the district was that year. Finis Vanover is just a great motivator and defensive style coach. Very aggressive. I can stll hear coach Steve Shaver's speeches before each of those games. Just awesome all the way around. I remember an interview with coach Vanover on the news that year, he said "its easy to coach defense in the North End of Beaumont, the aggression is already there". Derrick Wilson DE, Thad Nobles at nose guard were both benching around 400 lbs. We had a reunion for that team back in 2009. We called all 3 news channels, none showed up. Coach Vanover stood up in front of us and even as adults he was able to make all of us want to go to war for him. I think its a dimeanor that only certain coaches have and to this day and I believe he is one of the best. He took a bunch of kids that had never been anywhere or done anything and he and coach Shaver made us Champions. It says Co-Champions, but it has never felt that way to me.[/quote]Can you clarify something about this? I formerly worked with someone who told me he was the starting center on French's championship team (forgot his name, but I don't think it was Johnny). This was back in the summer of '85 at the Weiner's store on Lucas. He lived very close to the store. He was about 5'7" and very broad. He was certainly more than 155 lbs., and that was the part about your write up that didn't line up with what I remember. Are you sure about the center?
liltex Posted November 16, 2012 Report Posted November 16, 2012 Didn't ever see French play but I have played golf several times w/Steve Shaver great golfer and a great guy of character 8)
bedelmon Posted November 16, 2012 Report Posted November 16, 2012 Here is a pic of me in the middle, left side is Rodenburg and right side #52 is Johnny Behannon our 155lb center. Our guys were fast and I believe what made us better in the post season was the turf. These guys were running 4.4's and 4.5's on a gravel track with clete's. When we hit that turf and out those turf shoes on, I think the quickness and speed jumped up a few notches. May be wrong but just my theory.https://www.facebook.com/barry.edelmon/photos#!/photo.php?fbid=1105553610660&set=t.1270183747&type=3&theater
bedelmon Posted November 16, 2012 Report Posted November 16, 2012 [quote name="SFA85" post="1331789" timestamp="1353031394"]Sr. year watching French from PA. I remember when Anderson from Permian got flipped @the goal line from a vicious hit and all I could say was "here comes Mojo....." French did their thing 2 football seasons before becoming Central....[/quote]I remenber that hit. Right before halftime, Greg Anderson caught a pass on about the 5 yardline and I believe Donnell Anderson our free safety almost cut him in half. It was vicious!
dawg13 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 Yep the Helbig Texas crew was very proud of that crew.
griff Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 [quote name="bedelmon" post="1332827" timestamp="1353099681"]Here is a pic of me in the middle, left side is Rodenburg and right side #52 is Johnny Behannon our 155lb center. Our guys were fast and I believe what made us better in the post season was the turf. These guys were running 4.4's and 4.5's on a gravel track with clete's. When we hit that turf and out those turf shoes on, I think the quickness and speed jumped up a few notches. May be wrong but just my theory.https://www.facebook.com/barry.edelmon/photos#!/photo.php?fbid=1105553610660&set=t.1270183747&type=3&theater[/quote]Nah...the dude I'm thinking of was a black guy. He was about 5'7", but weighed about 250 lbs. I know he told me he played center because I remember discussing the WO-S nose guard from my class who was lined up against him in our game. Is there another offensive lineman that fits that description? Maybe he was a backup?
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