Summer Creek is HUGE!!!!!!

DemDAWGS! · November 20, 2012

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Watching Katy this year is like watching slow motion. The biggest edge Katy has is DEFENSE. I will agree your defensive play is on another level. Your offense is some pound and grind slow motion game. Your running back is lucky if he runs a 4.7 with the wind at his back.
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You know, it was only two-three years ago your little pocket of Region 3 was spouting off about how "slow" we were. That Atascocita team that was senior heavy, FAR more talented then this SC team, and we gave them a whooping they would never forget. We beat them in all phases of the game, It was over before it started. Speed means very little if your kids don't have the fundementals down. Just ask North Shore what they think about Katy, and our "Slowness". How about you ask Humble about our "slowness". Ask Ike about our "Slowness". Ask Alief Taylor about our "slowness". lol

You are beyond hilarious. Not only would the Tigers take you to the woodshed, we'd give your middle school players nightmares.

You'll get your chance their puppies, and when you do, don't say i didn't warn you. lol
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Get the hotel outta here talking about Atascocita being "far more talented." I saw that team (my daughter was a senior the year Atascocita play Katy in the 2nd round) and that team did not have the same level of QB play, or the receiving corp of SC. Also, one of their starting RB's (Jarvis) got smoked by my son while he was in middle school during 40 yard dash at Atascocita's football camp (they invited the middle school for a week). As a matter of fact my son nearly beat their top receiver in a foot race as well! They had TWO D1 prospects (A receiver and corner). And you must account for Humble High School having half of the area talent as well.

This year's Katy team is SLOOOOOOOOOOOW. You just have a mamouth O-line that gives you a key advantage. You can not tell me your running back is a superstar 100 meter guy. I could run behind Katy's line.

I can't argue about the fundamentals side of the deal. You guys are sound and that goes w/o saying. Take Katy's Oline an Dline out the equation and your skill players are 3A all day.

songone · November 20, 2012

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S.C.-This is Manvel, Northshore, Katy, PAM, LaPorte-see you soon-signed, 5a

p.s.-you won't scare us 8)
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None of the teams on that list could stop this offense. Where SC would have trouble is on defense. I've seen some mammoth O-lineman on those teams. That aside, SC matches up well. Northshore needs to win some 7-on-7 vs SC in the offseason before trying to beat us in d regular season. Katy owns Northshore anyway. Katy has a smooth striding running back, but that dude is SLOW.

I don't see SC going 5A. If anything, Atascocita might drop down to 4A.
[/quote]Katy would shut you guys out! IMO!
[/quote]It's a lot of 5A teams that would beat the dog censored out of SC right now... I thought Manvel was tough censored last year too & yes we were a great 4A team. 5A is a rude awakening bro... I know, I'm experiencing it now. Early in the season PAM would have drug Manvel up and down the field. (and I'm a Manvel fan).
Honestly 5A is a whole different ball game in the trenches. Playing a teams like NS convinced me of that. When a team has 2 or 3 different, big and talented lines on both side of the ball to throw at you for 4 quarters, depth immediatedly becomes an issue. And the average 5A team never quit... never! LP and PAM has learned how to play against the big schools... Scheme wise, clock wise etc... It's not easy bro. SC can't beat half the teams that lost in the 1st round of 5A playoffs. ex: PAM, Pearland, Cy Falls, Lake Travis, Cy Fair, Klein Oak, Spring Dekaney... etc Manvel would probably be ranked #1 4A without the alignment. Now we just in the middle of the pack taking it one game at a time. It ain't easy. There's no Yates, Sharpstowns etc... in 5A playoffs.
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Will agree totally about the depth issue and this is precisely why SC is in 4A. We have 3 schools in a small area. Now, if you were to combine those schools, we'd be beat the tar outta everyone including Katy. You can't tell me our QB and Receivers would not start on most 5A teams.

The trenches are where most 4A teams are LIGHT in comparison to the powerhouse 5A teams. I stand by what said about the year's SC QB & Receivers giving heck to a lot of 5A schools.
[/quote] I know those SC kids can play... I have no doubt. Watch you guys last year when I thought there would be a possible Manvel/SC match-up. Manvel skill players (several D1's commits) took us as far as we could go in week 1 vs NS. We got destroyed in the trenches and NS eventually wore us down and took over the game. I totally understand what you are thinking, but it will not work week in and week out. Manvel emptied the talent tree from the Freshman team on up... start putting the best talent in game situations until we learned to compete, finish and become well rounded. Never would have had to do that in 4A bro. Like I say... I have total respect for LP and PAM for learning how to adjust with the bare minimum. Most don't bro... honestly most get crushed by mid-season. Look at LT... a few injuries and stiffer competition got them wiped out 1st round, by a average 5A team. It's for real in 5A. And SC please don't fall in 21-5A... Please don't.

DemDAWGS! · November 20, 2012

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S.C.-This is Manvel, Northshore, Katy, PAM, LaPorte-see you soon-signed, 5a

p.s.-you won't scare us 8)
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None of the teams on that list could stop this offense. Where SC would have trouble is on defense. I've seen some mammoth O-lineman on those teams. That aside, SC matches up well. Northshore needs to win some 7-on-7 vs SC in the offseason before trying to beat us in d regular season. Katy owns Northshore anyway. Katy has a smooth striding running back, but that dude is SLOW.

I don't see SC going 5A. If anything, Atascocita might drop down to 4A.
[/quote]Katy would shut you guys out! IMO!
[/quote]It's a lot of 5A teams that would beat the dog censored out of SC right now... I thought Manvel was tough censored last year too & yes we were a great 4A team. 5A is a rude awakening bro... I know, I'm experiencing it now. Early in the season PAM would have drug Manvel up and down the field. (and I'm a Manvel fan).
Honestly 5A is a whole different ball game in the trenches. Playing a teams like NS convinced me of that. When a team has 2 or 3 different, big and talented lines on both side of the ball to throw at you for 4 quarters, depth immediatedly becomes an issue. And the average 5A team never quit... never! LP and PAM has learned how to play against the big schools... Scheme wise, clock wise etc... It's not easy bro. SC can't beat half the teams that lost in the 1st round of 5A playoffs. ex: PAM, Pearland, Cy Falls, Lake Travis, Cy Fair, Klein Oak, Spring Dekaney... etc Manvel would probably be ranked #1 4A without the alignment. Now we just in the middle of the pack taking it one game at a time. It ain't easy. There's no Yates, Sharpstowns etc... in 5A playoffs.
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Will agree totally about the depth issue and this is precisely why SC is in 4A. We have 3 schools in a small area. Now, if you were to combine those schools, we'd be beat the tar outta everyone including Katy. You can't tell me our QB and Receivers would not start on most 5A teams.

The trenches are where most 4A teams are LIGHT in comparison to the powerhouse 5A teams. I stand by what said about the year's SC QB & Receivers giving heck to a lot of 5A schools.
[/quote] I know those SC kids can play... I have no doubt. Watch you guys last year when I thought there would be a possible Manvel/SC match-up. Manvel skill players (several D1's commits) took us as far as we could go in week 1 vs NS. We got destroyed in the trenches and NS eventually wore us down and took over the game. I totally understand what you are thinking, but it will not work week in and week out. Manvel emptied the talent tree from the Freshman team on up... start putting the best talent in game situations until we learned to compete, finish and become well rounded. Never would have had to do that in 4A bro. Like I say... I have total respect for LP and PAM for learning how to adjust with the bare minimum. Most don't bro... honestly most get crushed by mid-season. Look at LT... a few injuries and stiffer competition got them wiped out 1st round, by a average 5A team. It's for real in 5A. And SC please don't fall in 21-5A... Please don't.
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SC isn't going to 5A with all these high schools around the corner. A once very proud Humble High School dropped to 4A and they're now STRUGGLING IN 4A! Humble was a very formidable opponent PRE-Atascocita High School. Now with SC drawing from the talent pool too, I really think we have three 4A schools in the area. I don't see the numbers in Humble/Atascocita picking up to compete with a Katy area talent pool.

Slo-mo Katy needs to thank God Northshore and Galena Park didn't combine. If they did, Katy would be getting their tails whooped year in and year out. Same deal with a combined single Humble school district. Katy would need motorcycles to keep up with the speed on this side of town.

songone · November 20, 2012

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[quote author=cpujt8 link=topic=106400.msg1336717#msg1336717 date=1353291031]
S.C.-This is Manvel, Northshore, Katy, PAM, LaPorte-see you soon-signed, 5a

p.s.-you won't scare us 8)
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None of the teams on that list could stop this offense. Where SC would have trouble is on defense. I've seen some mammoth O-lineman on those teams. That aside, SC matches up well. Northshore needs to win some 7-on-7 vs SC in the offseason before trying to beat us in d regular season. Katy owns Northshore anyway. Katy has a smooth striding running back, but that dude is SLOW.

I don't see SC going 5A. If anything, Atascocita might drop down to 4A.
[/quote]Katy would shut you guys out! IMO!
[/quote]It's a lot of 5A teams that would beat the dog censored out of SC right now... I thought Manvel was tough censored last year too & yes we were a great 4A team. 5A is a rude awakening bro... I know, I'm experiencing it now. Early in the season PAM would have drug Manvel up and down the field. (and I'm a Manvel fan).
Honestly 5A is a whole different ball game in the trenches. Playing a teams like NS convinced me of that. When a team has 2 or 3 different, big and talented lines on both side of the ball to throw at you for 4 quarters, depth immediatedly becomes an issue. And the average 5A team never quit... never! LP and PAM has learned how to play against the big schools... Scheme wise, clock wise etc... It's not easy bro. SC can't beat half the teams that lost in the 1st round of 5A playoffs. ex: PAM, Pearland, Cy Falls, Lake Travis, Cy Fair, Klein Oak, Spring Dekaney... etc Manvel would probably be ranked #1 4A without the alignment. Now we just in the middle of the pack taking it one game at a time. It ain't easy. There's no Yates, Sharpstowns etc... in 5A playoffs.
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Will agree totally about the depth issue and this is precisely why SC is in 4A. [b]We have 3 schools in a small area.[/b] Now, if you were to combine those schools, we'd be beat the tar outta everyone including Katy. You can't tell me our QB and Receivers would not start on most 5A teams.

The trenches are where most 4A teams are LIGHT in comparison to the powerhouse 5A teams. I stand by what said about the year's SC QB & Receivers giving heck to a lot of 5A schools.
[/quote] I know those SC kids can play... I have no doubt. Watch you guys last year when I thought there would be a possible Manvel/SC match-up. Manvel skill players (several D1's commits) took us as far as we could go in week 1 vs NS. We got destroyed in the trenches and NS eventually wore us down and took over the game. I totally understand what you are thinking, but it will not work week in and week out. Manvel emptied the talent tree from the Freshman team on up... start putting the best talent in game situations until we learned to compete, finish and become well rounded. Never would have had to do that in 4A bro. Like I say... I have total respect for LP and PAM for learning how to adjust with the bare minimum. Most don't bro... honestly most get crushed by mid-season. Look at LT... a few injuries and stiffer competition got them wiped out 1st round, by a average 5A team. It's for real in 5A. And SC please don't fall in 21-5A... Please don't.
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SC isn't going to 5A with all these high schools around the corner. A once very proud Humble High School dropped to 4A and they're now STRUGGLING IN 4A! Humble was a very formidable opponent PRE-Atascocita High School. Now with SC drawing from the talent pool too, I really think we have three 4A schools in the area. I don't see the numbers in Humble/Atascocita picking up to compete with a Katy area talent pool.

Slo-mo Katy needs to thank God Northshore and Galena Park didn't combine. If they did, Katy would be getting their tails whooped year in and year out. Same deal with a combined single Humble school district. Katy would need motorcycles to keep up with the speed on this side of town.
[/quote]Manvel 5A (State Finalist 2012), Pearland 5A (2010 Stat Champs), Pearland Dawson 4A (State Semi-Finals 2012)& Hightower (State Finals 2012) All within 8-10 miles of each other... If your area building homes and growing... you'll be there.

cougar14 · November 20, 2012

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[quote author=cpujt8 link=topic=106400.msg1336717#msg1336717 date=1353291031]
S.C.-This is Manvel, Northshore, Katy, PAM, LaPorte-see you soon-signed, 5a

p.s.-you won't scare us 8)
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None of the teams on that list could stop this offense. Where SC would have trouble is on defense. I've seen some mammoth O-lineman on those teams. That aside, SC matches up well. Northshore needs to win some 7-on-7 vs SC in the offseason before trying to beat us in d regular season. Katy owns Northshore anyway. Katy has a smooth striding running back, but that dude is SLOW.

I don't see SC going 5A. If anything, Atascocita might drop down to 4A.
[/quote]Katy would shut you guys out! IMO!
[/quote]It's a lot of 5A teams that would beat the dog censored out of SC right now... I thought Manvel was tough censored last year too & yes we were a great 4A team. 5A is a rude awakening bro... I know, I'm experiencing it now. Early in the season PAM would have drug Manvel up and down the field. (and I'm a Manvel fan).
Honestly 5A is a whole different ball game in the trenches. Playing a teams like NS convinced me of that. When a team has 2 or 3 different, big and talented lines on both side of the ball to throw at you for 4 quarters, depth immediatedly becomes an issue. And the average 5A team never quit... never! LP and PAM has learned how to play against the big schools... Scheme wise, clock wise etc... It's not easy bro. SC can't beat half the teams that lost in the 1st round of 5A playoffs. ex: PAM, Pearland, Cy Falls, Lake Travis, Cy Fair, Klein Oak, Spring Dekaney... etc Manvel would probably be ranked #1 4A without the alignment. Now we just in the middle of the pack taking it one game at a time. It ain't easy. There's no Yates, Sharpstowns etc... in 5A playoffs.
[/quote]I believe the best high school football in the country is played in Texas at the 5a level. I think you might be overstating it a little bit though. Teams like DeSoto, North Shore, Dallas Skyline, Allen, Westfield, and Euless Trinity are usually good year after year because of their talent pool. A team like Katy on the other hand is good because of the system and coaching. Katy has 5 titles I believe but maybe other than lineman don't produce a lot of highly recruited talent in comparison to the previous schools I mentioned. This is why I think Travis is going to have trouble now that their talent pool doesn't dwarf everybody elses. I know everybody is going to say Andy Dalton which I agree with but he became that under Gary Patterson in college, I think he only had like two D1 offers out of Katy. That's why guys like Dean and Mitchell went to college but got beat out by much less sought after kids and transferred. Dean is getting some playing time at TCU right now but that's beacause Waymon James and another guy are hurt. Katy has a good back now but I think if you put any capable back behind that line you get similar numbers, it doesn't even look like a drop off when you put the backup in. Lake Travis was in a similar situation in 4a, great coaching and system but not the Saturday talent you get with a 4a SC right now. Garrett Gilbert is a prime example of this, he was the Gatorade national player of the year and set the Horns back 5 years. He's even killing SMU right now. Manvel is similar to SC where they have good coaching but the main reason they're good is because of their Saturday talent. I think SC would be just like Manvel is right now in 5a if they had the same enrollment. I think SC would beat this year's PAM team too, they aren't as good as last year.

DemDAWGS! · November 20, 2012

Gotta love some Cougar14! Has some GREAT analysis consistantly. We're here--> :o :o seeing eye to eye.

Shady Katy is a lineman farm. They are not a place too seek out primetime skill players. They can wear down teams that are inferior in line play, by putting hits on the skill guys and sacking the QB. Cinco Ranch nearly hurt Katy's feelings and they have a similar mamouth line, but just lacked the skill talent. If Cinco had some Northshore/Galena Park/Manvel/SC skill pay....ooooooo weee. Katy would be buying tickets this week.

C O Wilson Bullpups · November 20, 2012

SC Bulldawgs legends in their own minds...

DemDAWGS! · November 20, 2012

Bullpup...please don't hate. SC has made themselves so easy to love!

TIGERATTACK · November 20, 2012

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S.C.-This is Manvel, Northshore, Katy, PAM, LaPorte-see you soon-signed, 5a

p.s.-you won't scare us 8)
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None of the teams on that list could stop this offense. Where SC would have trouble is on defense. I've seen some mammoth O-lineman on those teams. That aside, SC matches up well. Northshore needs to win some 7-on-7 vs SC in the offseason before trying to beat us in d regular season. Katy owns Northshore anyway. Katy has a smooth striding running back, but that dude is SLOW.

I don't see SC going 5A. If anything, Atascocita might drop down to 4A.
[/quote]Katy would shut you guys out! IMO!
[/quote]It's a lot of 5A teams that would beat the dog censored out of SC right now... I thought Manvel was tough censored last year too & yes we were a great 4A team. 5A is a rude awakening bro... I know, I'm experiencing it now. Early in the season PAM would have drug Manvel up and down the field. (and I'm a Manvel fan).
Honestly 5A is a whole different ball game in the trenches. Playing a teams like NS convinced me of that. When a team has 2 or 3 different, big and talented lines on both side of the ball to throw at you for 4 quarters, depth immediatedly becomes an issue. And the average 5A team never quit... never! LP and PAM has learned how to play against the big schools... Scheme wise, clock wise etc... It's not easy bro. SC can't beat half the teams that lost in the 1st round of 5A playoffs. ex: PAM, Pearland, Cy Falls, Lake Travis, Cy Fair, Klein Oak, Spring Dekaney... etc Manvel would probably be ranked #1 4A without the alignment. Now we just in the middle of the pack taking it one game at a time. It ain't easy. There's no Yates, Sharpstowns etc... in 5A playoffs.
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Will agree totally about the depth issue and this is precisely why SC is in 4A. We have 3 schools in a small area. Now, if you were to combine those schools, we'd be beat the tar outta everyone including Katy. You can't tell me our QB and Receivers would not start on most 5A teams.

The trenches are where most 4A teams are LIGHT in comparison to the powerhouse 5A teams. I stand by what said about the year's SC QB & Receivers giving heck to a lot of 5A schools.
[/quote] I know those SC kids can play... I have no doubt. Watch you guys last year when I thought there would be a possible Manvel/SC match-up. Manvel skill players (several D1's commits) took us as far as we could go in week 1 vs NS. We got destroyed in the trenches and NS eventually wore us down and took over the game. I totally understand what you are thinking, but it will not work week in and week out. Manvel emptied the talent tree from the Freshman team on up... start putting the best talent in game situations until we learned to compete, finish and become well rounded. Never would have had to do that in 4A bro. Like I say... I have total respect for LP and PAM for learning how to adjust with the bare minimum. Most don't bro... honestly most get crushed by mid-season. Look at LT... a few injuries and stiffer competition got them wiped out 1st round, by a average 5A team. It's for real in 5A. And SC please don't fall in 21-5A... Please don't.
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SC isn't going to 5A with all these high schools around the corner. A once very proud Humble High School dropped to 4A and they're now STRUGGLING IN 4A! Humble was a very formidable opponent PRE-Atascocita High School. Now with SC drawing from the talent pool too, I really think we have three 4A schools in the area. I don't see the numbers in Humble/Atascocita picking up to compete with a Katy area talent pool.

Slo-mo Katy needs to thank God Northshore and Galena Park didn't combine. If they did, Katy would be getting their tails whooped year in and year out. Same deal with a combined single Humble school district. Katy would need motorcycles to keep up with the speed on this side of town.
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Every year its the same crap out of you Humble ISD people. We are what we are, and you are what you are. Take the best SC got, and the best we got. and you lose by 30, that simple.

On the note about SC never being 5a. You are right, they probably wont. My wife works for Humble ISD Administration, and Humble ISD is DONE building high school for the next 20 years. But they will be redrawing the lines VERY soon. Summer Creek and Atascocita will be downsizing and giving neighborhoods back to Humble. Had this not occured, Summer Creek would of been 5a next alignment. More then likely you will see both Humble and Summer Creek return to 5a together. Can't wait to beat on the purple kittens again and maroon puppies when they finally do come up

TIGERATTACK · November 20, 2012

You also have to remember, that Katy demolished Humble when it was sporting 5000+ kids. When your Varsity was as big as ours. When you were far more talented, far faster, and at times even better coached. You took it to us one year, only to lose to us in the playoffs in what wasn't even a game.

Ive seen the best Humble area has to offer, trust me some of the names that came out of Humble high school are Texas football legends. They just weren't enough. Best team the Humble ISD team i saw was hands down the Wildcats 97 team. Probably the best i have ever seen, unfortunetly they had their key players out in the playoff game against Beaumont. shame too, you don't have that sort of talent on your team but once ever 20-30 years.

songone · November 20, 2012

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[quote author=cpujt8 link=topic=106400.msg1336717#msg1336717 date=1353291031]
S.C.-This is Manvel, Northshore, Katy, PAM, LaPorte-see you soon-signed, 5a

p.s.-you won't scare us 8)
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None of the teams on that list could stop this offense. Where SC would have trouble is on defense. I've seen some mammoth O-lineman on those teams. That aside, SC matches up well. Northshore needs to win some 7-on-7 vs SC in the offseason before trying to beat us in d regular season. Katy owns Northshore anyway. Katy has a smooth striding running back, but that dude is SLOW.

I don't see SC going 5A. If anything, Atascocita might drop down to 4A.
[/quote]Katy would shut you guys out! IMO!
[/quote]It's a lot of 5A teams that would beat the dog censored out of SC right now... I thought Manvel was tough censored last year too & yes we were a great 4A team. 5A is a rude awakening bro... I know, I'm experiencing it now. Early in the season PAM would have drug Manvel up and down the field. (and I'm a Manvel fan).
Honestly 5A is a whole different ball game in the trenches. Playing a teams like NS convinced me of that. When a team has 2 or 3 different, big and talented lines on both side of the ball to throw at you for 4 quarters, depth immediatedly becomes an issue. And the average 5A team never quit... never! LP and PAM has learned how to play against the big schools... Scheme wise, clock wise etc... It's not easy bro. SC can't beat half the teams that lost in the 1st round of 5A playoffs. ex: PAM, Pearland, Cy Falls, Lake Travis, Cy Fair, Klein Oak, Spring Dekaney... etc Manvel would probably be ranked #1 4A without the alignment. Now we just in the middle of the pack taking it one game at a time. It ain't easy. There's no Yates, Sharpstowns etc... in 5A playoffs.
[/quote]I believe the best high school football in the country is played in Texas at the 5a level. I think you might be overstating it a little bit though. Teams like DeSoto, North Shore, Dallas Skyline, Allen, Westfield, and Euless Trinity are usually good year after year because of their talent pool. A team like Katy on the other hand is good because of the system and coaching. Katy has 5 titles I believe but maybe other than lineman don't produce a lot of highly recruited talent in comparison to the previous schools I mentioned. This is why I think Travis is going to have trouble now that their talent pool doesn't dwarf everybody elses. I know everybody is going to say Andy Dalton which I agree with but he became that under Gary Patterson in college, I think he only had like two D1 offers out of Katy. That's why guys like Dean and Mitchell went to college but got beat out by much less sought after kids and transferred. Dean is getting some playing time at TCU right now but that's beacause Waymon James and another guy are hurt. Katy has a good back now but I think if you put any capable back behind that line you get similar numbers, it doesn't even look like a drop off when you put the backup in. Lake Travis was in a similar situation in 4a, great coaching and system but not the Saturday talent you get with a 4a SC right now. Garrett Gilbert is a prime example of this, he was the Gatorade national player of the year and set the Horns back 5 years. He's even killing SMU right now. Manvel is similar to SC where they have good coaching but the main reason they're good is because of their Saturday talent. I think SC would be just like Manvel is right now in 5a if they had the same enrollment. I think SC would beat this year's PAM team too, they aren't as good as last year.
[/quote]I respect your opinion... I just don't think a team that beat a one dimensional BH team 24-7 this time of year is capable of beating a seasoned 5A team like PAM. WHATEVER YOU DO BEST... THEY WILL TAKE AWAY! BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE TALENT & SAVY TO DO IT. I guarantee half the 4A teams SC played did not have the players on the field to come close to competing like that. I've been on both sides of the fence... It's a different ballgame. Your trenches must be nasty bro. Average skill players and NASTY TRENCHES will get you deep in the playoffs. (ie KATY) Great skill players and a average trench play will have you in a jam every Friday night. (ie CY FALLS)... JMO...

BHFAN · November 20, 2012

[quote name="songone" post="1338096" timestamp="1353445593"]
[quote author=cougar14 link=topic=106400.msg1338075#msg1338075 date=1353442896]
[quote author=songone link=topic=106400.msg1338016#msg1338016 date=1353438373]
[quote author=BellBiz30 link=topic=106400.msg1336944#msg1336944 date=1353338491]
[quote author=DemDAWGS! link=topic=106400.msg1336739#msg1336739 date=1353291963]
[quote author=cpujt8 link=topic=106400.msg1336717#msg1336717 date=1353291031]
S.C.-This is Manvel, Northshore, Katy, PAM, LaPorte-see you soon-signed, 5a

p.s.-you won't scare us 8)
[/quote]

None of the teams on that list could stop this offense. Where SC would have trouble is on defense. I've seen some mammoth O-lineman on those teams. That aside, SC matches up well. Northshore needs to win some 7-on-7 vs SC in the offseason before trying to beat us in d regular season. Katy owns Northshore anyway. Katy has a smooth striding running back, but that dude is SLOW.

I don't see SC going 5A. If anything, Atascocita might drop down to 4A.
[/quote]Katy would shut you guys out! IMO!
[/quote]It's a lot of 5A teams that would beat the dog censored out of SC right now... I thought Manvel was tough censored last year too & yes we were a great 4A team. 5A is a rude awakening bro... I know, I'm experiencing it now. Early in the season PAM would have drug Manvel up and down the field. (and I'm a Manvel fan).
Honestly 5A is a whole different ball game in the trenches. Playing a teams like NS convinced me of that. When a team has 2 or 3 different, big and talented lines on both side of the ball to throw at you for 4 quarters, depth immediatedly becomes an issue. And the average 5A team never quit... never! LP and PAM has learned how to play against the big schools... Scheme wise, clock wise etc... It's not easy bro. SC can't beat half the teams that lost in the 1st round of 5A playoffs. ex: PAM, Pearland, Cy Falls, Lake Travis, Cy Fair, Klein Oak, Spring Dekaney... etc Manvel would probably be ranked #1 4A without the alignment. Now we just in the middle of the pack taking it one game at a time. It ain't easy. There's no Yates, Sharpstowns etc... in 5A playoffs.
[/quote]I believe the best high school football in the country is played in Texas at the 5a level. I think you might be overstating it a little bit though. Teams like DeSoto, North Shore, Dallas Skyline, Allen, Westfield, and Euless Trinity are usually good year after year because of their talent pool. A team like Katy on the other hand is good because of the system and coaching. Katy has 5 titles I believe but maybe other than lineman don't produce a lot of highly recruited talent in comparison to the previous schools I mentioned. This is why I think Travis is going to have trouble now that their talent pool doesn't dwarf everybody elses. I know everybody is going to say Andy Dalton which I agree with but he became that under Gary Patterson in college, I think he only had like two D1 offers out of Katy. That's why guys like Dean and Mitchell went to college but got beat out by much less sought after kids and transferred. Dean is getting some playing time at TCU right now but that's beacause Waymon James and another guy are hurt. Katy has a good back now but I think if you put any capable back behind that line you get similar numbers, it doesn't even look like a drop off when you put the backup in. Lake Travis was in a similar situation in 4a, great coaching and system but not the Saturday talent you get with a 4a SC right now. Garrett Gilbert is a prime example of this, he was the Gatorade national player of the year and set the Horns back 5 years. He's even killing SMU right now. Manvel is similar to SC where they have good coaching but the main reason they're good is because of their Saturday talent. I think SC would be just like Manvel is right now in 5a if they had the same enrollment. I think SC would beat this year's PAM team too, they aren't as good as last year.
[/quote]I respect your opinion... I just don't think a team that beat a one dimensional BH team 24-7 this time of year is capable of beating a seasoned 5A team like PAM. WHATEVER YOU DO BEST... THEY WILL TAKE AWAY! BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE TALENT & SAVY TO DO IT. I guarantee half the 4A teams SC played did not have the players on the field to come close to competing like that. I've been on both sides of the fence... It's a different ballgame. Your trenches must be nasty bro. Average skill players and NASTY TRENCHES will get you deep in the playoffs. (ie KATY) Great skill players and a average trench play will have you in a jam every Friday night. (ie CY FALLS)... JMO...
[/quote]

Time out!! Our one dimensinal team was beaten 24-11 not 24-7 ;D ;D Ok, Game back on ;)

cougar14 · November 20, 2012

[quote name="TIGERATTACK" post="1338093" timestamp="1353445129"]
You also have to remember, that Katy demolished Humble when it was sporting 5000+ kids. When your Varsity was as big as ours. When you were far more talented, far faster, and at times even better coached. You took it to us one year, only to lose to us in the playoffs in what wasn't even a game.

Ive seen the best Humble area has to offer, trust me some of the names that came out of Humble high school are Texas football legends. They just weren't enough. Best team the Humble ISD team i saw was hands down the Wildcats 97 team. Probably the best i have ever seen, unfortunetly they had their key players out in the playoff game against Beaumont. shame too, you don't have that sort of talent on your team but once ever 20-30 years.
[/quote]Humble has never had 5000 kids, this is their highest listed enrollment:http://high-schools.com/report/tx/public-school-enrollment-rank-in-texas.html

Gary Joseph is the reason Katy is what it is, not their talent.
Prime example - Katy 5 state titles, North Shore 1
Current NFL players
Katy North Shore
Andy Dalton Corey Redding(Colts)
Chykie Brown(Ravens)
Earl Mitchell(Texans)
Andre Gurode
Kevin Rutland(Jaguars)

Soon to be Trey Hopkins at Texas also. I could put the current college players on there but I would run out of space. Y'all had one big time recruit at Katy and he flamed out at UCLA once he wasn't running behind a high school line that made tunnels. If Gary Joseph was at North Shore with that kind of talent he would have would probably have a college job by now like Chad Morris (Clemson) got when he was at Travis. Has Katy ever won a title in D1?

songone · November 20, 2012

[quote name="cougar14" post="1338104" timestamp="1353446707"]
[quote author=TIGERATTACK link=topic=106400.msg1338093#msg1338093 date=1353445129]
You also have to remember, that Katy demolished Humble when it was sporting 5000+ kids. When your Varsity was as big as ours. When you were far more talented, far faster, and at times even better coached. You took it to us one year, only to lose to us in the playoffs in what wasn't even a game.

Ive seen the best Humble area has to offer, trust me some of the names that came out of Humble high school are Texas football legends. They just weren't enough. Best team the Humble ISD team i saw was hands down the Wildcats 97 team. Probably the best i have ever seen, unfortunetly they had their key players out in the playoff game against Beaumont. shame too, you don't have that sort of talent on your team but once ever 20-30 years.
[/quote]Humble has never had 5000 kids, this is their highest listed enrollment:http://high-schools.com/report/tx/public-school-enrollment-rank-in-texas.html

Gary Joseph is the reason Katy is what it is, not their talent.
Prime example - Katy 5 state titles, North Shore 1
Current NFL players
Katy North Shore
Andy Dalton Corey Redding(Colts)
Chykie Brown(Ravens)
Earl Mitchell(Texans)
Andre Gurode
Kevin Rutland(Jaguars)

Soon to be Trey Hopkins at Texas also. I could put the current college players on there but I would run out of space. Y'all had one big time recruit at Katy and he flamed out at UCLA once he wasn't running behind a high school line that made tunnels. If Gary Joseph was at North Shore with that kind of talent he would have would probably have a college job by now like Chad Morris (Clemson) got when he was at Travis. Has Katy ever won a title in D1?
[/quote]If Gary Joseph was at NS I would slap (joking) Manvel Coach for scheduling that game! Team would be a NON-STOP POWERHOUSE!
[color=red]Just to clear that up... I have much love and respect for Coach Kirk Martin @ Manvel.[/color]

cougar14 · November 20, 2012

[quote name="songone" post="1338096" timestamp="1353445593"]
[quote author=cougar14 link=topic=106400.msg1338075#msg1338075 date=1353442896]
[quote author=songone link=topic=106400.msg1338016#msg1338016 date=1353438373]
[quote author=BellBiz30 link=topic=106400.msg1336944#msg1336944 date=1353338491]
[quote author=DemDAWGS! link=topic=106400.msg1336739#msg1336739 date=1353291963]
[quote author=cpujt8 link=topic=106400.msg1336717#msg1336717 date=1353291031]
S.C.-This is Manvel, Northshore, Katy, PAM, LaPorte-see you soon-signed, 5a

p.s.-you won't scare us 8)
[/quote]

None of the teams on that list could stop this offense. Where SC would have trouble is on defense. I've seen some mammoth O-lineman on those teams. That aside, SC matches up well. Northshore needs to win some 7-on-7 vs SC in the offseason before trying to beat us in d regular season. Katy owns Northshore anyway. Katy has a smooth striding running back, but that dude is SLOW.

I don't see SC going 5A. If anything, Atascocita might drop down to 4A.
[/quote]Katy would shut you guys out! IMO!
[/quote]It's a lot of 5A teams that would beat the dog censored out of SC right now... I thought Manvel was tough censored last year too & yes we were a great 4A team. 5A is a rude awakening bro... I know, I'm experiencing it now. Early in the season PAM would have drug Manvel up and down the field. (and I'm a Manvel fan).
Honestly 5A is a whole different ball game in the trenches. Playing a teams like NS convinced me of that. When a team has 2 or 3 different, big and talented lines on both side of the ball to throw at you for 4 quarters, depth immediatedly becomes an issue. And the average 5A team never quit... never! LP and PAM has learned how to play against the big schools... Scheme wise, clock wise etc... It's not easy bro. SC can't beat half the teams that lost in the 1st round of 5A playoffs. ex: PAM, Pearland, Cy Falls, Lake Travis, Cy Fair, Klein Oak, Spring Dekaney... etc Manvel would probably be ranked #1 4A without the alignment. Now we just in the middle of the pack taking it one game at a time. It ain't easy. There's no Yates, Sharpstowns etc... in 5A playoffs.
[/quote]I believe the best high school football in the country is played in Texas at the 5a level. I think you might be overstating it a little bit though. Teams like DeSoto, North Shore, Dallas Skyline, Allen, Westfield, and Euless Trinity are usually good year after year because of their talent pool. A team like Katy on the other hand is good because of the system and coaching. Katy has 5 titles I believe but maybe other than lineman don't produce a lot of highly recruited talent in comparison to the previous schools I mentioned. This is why I think Travis is going to have trouble now that their talent pool doesn't dwarf everybody elses. I know everybody is going to say Andy Dalton which I agree with but he became that under Gary Patterson in college, I think he only had like two D1 offers out of Katy. That's why guys like Dean and Mitchell went to college but got beat out by much less sought after kids and transferred. Dean is getting some playing time at TCU right now but that's beacause Waymon James and another guy are hurt. Katy has a good back now but I think if you put any capable back behind that line you get similar numbers, it doesn't even look like a drop off when you put the backup in. Lake Travis was in a similar situation in 4a, great coaching and system but not the Saturday talent you get with a 4a SC right now. Garrett Gilbert is a prime example of this, he was the Gatorade national player of the year and set the Horns back 5 years. He's even killing SMU right now. Manvel is similar to SC where they have good coaching but the main reason they're good is because of their Saturday talent. I think SC would be just like Manvel is right now in 5a if they had the same enrollment. I think SC would beat this year's PAM team too, they aren't as good as last year.
[/quote]I respect your opinion... [b]I just don't think a team that beat a one dimensional BH team 24-7 this time of year is capable of beating a seasoned 5A team like PAM. WHATEVER YOU DO BEST... THEY WILL TAKE AWAY! BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE TALENT & SAVY TO DO IT. [/b] I guarantee half the 4A teams SC played did not have the players on the field to come close to competing like that. I've been on both sides of the fence... It's a different ballgame. Your trenches must be nasty bro. Average skill players and NASTY TRENCHES will get you deep in the playoffs. (ie KATY) Great skill players and a average trench play will have you in a jam every Friday night. (ie CY FALLS)... JMO...
[/quote]They also got held to 299 total yards by a 4-7 4a team SC would have rolled up nearly 500 on easily. SC played their worse game of the year on BH and was still up 21 points in the 4th quarter. BH isn't a good example anyway because they run it every play and the games are short with limited possessions. BH is similar to Katy though, not a lot of talent but extremely well coached and disciplined. I think they only gave up more than 24 points once on the season and that was to a team with a rb that's going to have over 2,000 yards this year.

songone · November 20, 2012

[quote name="cougar14" post="1338112" timestamp="1353447204"]
[quote author=songone link=topic=106400.msg1338096#msg1338096 date=1353445593]
[quote author=cougar14 link=topic=106400.msg1338075#msg1338075 date=1353442896]
[quote author=songone link=topic=106400.msg1338016#msg1338016 date=1353438373]
[quote author=BellBiz30 link=topic=106400.msg1336944#msg1336944 date=1353338491]
[quote author=DemDAWGS! link=topic=106400.msg1336739#msg1336739 date=1353291963]
[quote author=cpujt8 link=topic=106400.msg1336717#msg1336717 date=1353291031]
S.C.-This is Manvel, Northshore, Katy, PAM, LaPorte-see you soon-signed, 5a

p.s.-you won't scare us 8)
[/quote]

None of the teams on that list could stop this offense. Where SC would have trouble is on defense. I've seen some mammoth O-lineman on those teams. That aside, SC matches up well. Northshore needs to win some 7-on-7 vs SC in the offseason before trying to beat us in d regular season. Katy owns Northshore anyway. Katy has a smooth striding running back, but that dude is SLOW.

I don't see SC going 5A. If anything, Atascocita might drop down to 4A.
[/quote]Katy would shut you guys out! IMO!
[/quote]It's a lot of 5A teams that would beat the dog censored out of SC right now... I thought Manvel was tough censored last year too & yes we were a great 4A team. 5A is a rude awakening bro... I know, I'm experiencing it now. Early in the season PAM would have drug Manvel up and down the field. (and I'm a Manvel fan).
Honestly 5A is a whole different ball game in the trenches. Playing a teams like NS convinced me of that. When a team has 2 or 3 different, big and talented lines on both side of the ball to throw at you for 4 quarters, depth immediatedly becomes an issue. And the average 5A team never quit... never! LP and PAM has learned how to play against the big schools... Scheme wise, clock wise etc... It's not easy bro. SC can't beat half the teams that lost in the 1st round of 5A playoffs. ex: PAM, Pearland, Cy Falls, Lake Travis, Cy Fair, Klein Oak, Spring Dekaney... etc Manvel would probably be ranked #1 4A without the alignment. Now we just in the middle of the pack taking it one game at a time. It ain't easy. There's no Yates, Sharpstowns etc... in 5A playoffs.
[/quote]I believe the best high school football in the country is played in Texas at the 5a level. I think you might be overstating it a little bit though. Teams like DeSoto, North Shore, Dallas Skyline, Allen, Westfield, and Euless Trinity are usually good year after year because of their talent pool. A team like Katy on the other hand is good because of the system and coaching. Katy has 5 titles I believe but maybe other than lineman don't produce a lot of highly recruited talent in comparison to the previous schools I mentioned. This is why I think Travis is going to have trouble now that their talent pool doesn't dwarf everybody elses. I know everybody is going to say Andy Dalton which I agree with but he became that under Gary Patterson in college, I think he only had like two D1 offers out of Katy. That's why guys like Dean and Mitchell went to college but got beat out by much less sought after kids and transferred. Dean is getting some playing time at TCU right now but that's beacause Waymon James and another guy are hurt. Katy has a good back now but I think if you put any capable back behind that line you get similar numbers, it doesn't even look like a drop off when you put the backup in. Lake Travis was in a similar situation in 4a, great coaching and system but not the Saturday talent you get with a 4a SC right now. Garrett Gilbert is a prime example of this, he was the Gatorade national player of the year and set the Horns back 5 years. He's even killing SMU right now. Manvel is similar to SC where they have good coaching but the main reason they're good is because of their Saturday talent. I think SC would be just like Manvel is right now in 5a if they had the same enrollment. I think SC would beat this year's PAM team too, they aren't as good as last year.
[/quote]I respect your opinion... [b]I just don't think a team that beat a one dimensional BH team 24-7 this time of year is capable of beating a seasoned 5A team like PAM. WHATEVER YOU DO BEST... THEY WILL TAKE AWAY! BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE TALENT & SAVY TO DO IT. [/b] I guarantee half the 4A teams SC played did not have the players on the field to come close to competing like that. I've been on both sides of the fence... It's a different ballgame. Your trenches must be nasty bro. Average skill players and NASTY TRENCHES will get you deep in the playoffs. (ie KATY) Great skill players and a average trench play will have you in a jam every Friday night. (ie CY FALLS)... JMO...
[/quote]They also got held to 299 total yards by a 4-7 4a team SC would have rolled up nearly 500 on easily. SC played their worse game of the year on BH and was still up 21 points in the 4th quarter. BH isn't a good example anyway because they run it every play and the games are short with limited possessions. BH is similar to Katy though, not a lot of talent but extremely well coached and disciplined. I think they only gave up more than 24 points once on the season and that was to a team with a rb that's going to have over 2,000 yards this year.
[/quote]Notice I said this late in the season... PAM would beat Central and BH by 50 right now. The same night!

BHFAN · November 20, 2012

[quote name="songone" post="1338118" timestamp="1353447524"]
[quote author=cougar14 link=topic=106400.msg1338112#msg1338112 date=1353447204]
[quote author=songone link=topic=106400.msg1338096#msg1338096 date=1353445593]
[quote author=cougar14 link=topic=106400.msg1338075#msg1338075 date=1353442896]
[quote author=songone link=topic=106400.msg1338016#msg1338016 date=1353438373]
[quote author=BellBiz30 link=topic=106400.msg1336944#msg1336944 date=1353338491]
[quote author=DemDAWGS! link=topic=106400.msg1336739#msg1336739 date=1353291963]
[quote author=cpujt8 link=topic=106400.msg1336717#msg1336717 date=1353291031]
S.C.-This is Manvel, Northshore, Katy, PAM, LaPorte-see you soon-signed, 5a

p.s.-you won't scare us 8)
[/quote]

None of the teams on that list could stop this offense. Where SC would have trouble is on defense. I've seen some mammoth O-lineman on those teams. That aside, SC matches up well. Northshore needs to win some 7-on-7 vs SC in the offseason before trying to beat us in d regular season. Katy owns Northshore anyway. Katy has a smooth striding running back, but that dude is SLOW.

I don't see SC going 5A. If anything, Atascocita might drop down to 4A.
[/quote]Katy would shut you guys out! IMO!
[/quote]It's a lot of 5A teams that would beat the dog censored out of SC right now... I thought Manvel was tough censored last year too & yes we were a great 4A team. 5A is a rude awakening bro... I know, I'm experiencing it now. Early in the season PAM would have drug Manvel up and down the field. (and I'm a Manvel fan).
Honestly 5A is a whole different ball game in the trenches. Playing a teams like NS convinced me of that. When a team has 2 or 3 different, big and talented lines on both side of the ball to throw at you for 4 quarters, depth immediatedly becomes an issue. And the average 5A team never quit... never! LP and PAM has learned how to play against the big schools... Scheme wise, clock wise etc... It's not easy bro. SC can't beat half the teams that lost in the 1st round of 5A playoffs. ex: PAM, Pearland, Cy Falls, Lake Travis, Cy Fair, Klein Oak, Spring Dekaney... etc Manvel would probably be ranked #1 4A without the alignment. Now we just in the middle of the pack taking it one game at a time. It ain't easy. There's no Yates, Sharpstowns etc... in 5A playoffs.
[/quote]I believe the best high school football in the country is played in Texas at the 5a level. I think you might be overstating it a little bit though. Teams like DeSoto, North Shore, Dallas Skyline, Allen, Westfield, and Euless Trinity are usually good year after year because of their talent pool. A team like Katy on the other hand is good because of the system and coaching. Katy has 5 titles I believe but maybe other than lineman don't produce a lot of highly recruited talent in comparison to the previous schools I mentioned. This is why I think Travis is going to have trouble now that their talent pool doesn't dwarf everybody elses. I know everybody is going to say Andy Dalton which I agree with but he became that under Gary Patterson in college, I think he only had like two D1 offers out of Katy. That's why guys like Dean and Mitchell went to college but got beat out by much less sought after kids and transferred. Dean is getting some playing time at TCU right now but that's beacause Waymon James and another guy are hurt. Katy has a good back now but I think if you put any capable back behind that line you get similar numbers, it doesn't even look like a drop off when you put the backup in. Lake Travis was in a similar situation in 4a, great coaching and system but not the Saturday talent you get with a 4a SC right now. Garrett Gilbert is a prime example of this, he was the Gatorade national player of the year and set the Horns back 5 years. He's even killing SMU right now. Manvel is similar to SC where they have good coaching but the main reason they're good is because of their Saturday talent. I think SC would be just like Manvel is right now in 5a if they had the same enrollment. I think SC would beat this year's PAM team too, they aren't as good as last year.
[/quote]I respect your opinion... [b]I just don't think a team that beat a one dimensional BH team 24-7 this time of year is capable of beating a seasoned 5A team like PAM. WHATEVER YOU DO BEST... THEY WILL TAKE AWAY! BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE TALENT & SAVY TO DO IT. [/b] I guarantee half the 4A teams SC played did not have the players on the field to come close to competing like that. I've been on both sides of the fence... It's a different ballgame. Your trenches must be nasty bro. Average skill players and NASTY TRENCHES will get you deep in the playoffs. (ie KATY) Great skill players and a average trench play will have you in a jam every Friday night. (ie CY FALLS)... JMO...
[/quote]They also got held to 299 total yards by a 4-7 4a team SC would have rolled up nearly 500 on easily. SC played their worse game of the year on BH and was still up 21 points in the 4th quarter. BH isn't a good example anyway because they run it every play and the games are short with limited possessions. BH is similar to Katy though, not a lot of talent but extremely well coached and disciplined. I think they only gave up more than 24 points once on the season and that was to a team with a rb that's going to have over 2,000 yards this year.
[/quote]Notice I said this late in the season... PAM would beat Central and BH by 50 right now. The same night!
[/quote]

YYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNN ;D

DemDAWGS! · November 20, 2012

[quote name="TIGERATTACK" post="1338089" timestamp="1353444765"]
[quote author=DemDAWGS! link=topic=106400.msg1338051#msg1338051 date=1353441368]
[quote author=songone link=topic=106400.msg1338040#msg1338040 date=1353440748]
[quote author=DemDAWGS! link=topic=106400.msg1338035#msg1338035 date=1353440023]
[quote author=songone link=topic=106400.msg1338016#msg1338016 date=1353438373]
[quote author=BellBiz30 link=topic=106400.msg1336944#msg1336944 date=1353338491]
[quote author=DemDAWGS! link=topic=106400.msg1336739#msg1336739 date=1353291963]
[quote author=cpujt8 link=topic=106400.msg1336717#msg1336717 date=1353291031]
S.C.-This is Manvel, Northshore, Katy, PAM, LaPorte-see you soon-signed, 5a

p.s.-you won't scare us 8)
[/quote]

None of the teams on that list could stop this offense. Where SC would have trouble is on defense. I've seen some mammoth O-lineman on those teams. That aside, SC matches up well. Northshore needs to win some 7-on-7 vs SC in the offseason before trying to beat us in d regular season. Katy owns Northshore anyway. Katy has a smooth striding running back, but that dude is SLOW.

I don't see SC going 5A. If anything, Atascocita might drop down to 4A.
[/quote]Katy would shut you guys out! IMO!
[/quote]It's a lot of 5A teams that would beat the dog censored out of SC right now... I thought Manvel was tough censored last year too & yes we were a great 4A team. 5A is a rude awakening bro... I know, I'm experiencing it now. Early in the season PAM would have drug Manvel up and down the field. (and I'm a Manvel fan).
Honestly 5A is a whole different ball game in the trenches. Playing a teams like NS convinced me of that. When a team has 2 or 3 different, big and talented lines on both side of the ball to throw at you for 4 quarters, depth immediatedly becomes an issue. And the average 5A team never quit... never! LP and PAM has learned how to play against the big schools... Scheme wise, clock wise etc... It's not easy bro. SC can't beat half the teams that lost in the 1st round of 5A playoffs. ex: PAM, Pearland, Cy Falls, Lake Travis, Cy Fair, Klein Oak, Spring Dekaney... etc Manvel would probably be ranked #1 4A without the alignment. Now we just in the middle of the pack taking it one game at a time. It ain't easy. There's no Yates, Sharpstowns etc... in 5A playoffs.
[/quote]

Will agree totally about the depth issue and this is precisely why SC is in 4A. We have 3 schools in a small area. Now, if you were to combine those schools, we'd be beat the tar outta everyone including Katy. You can't tell me our QB and Receivers would not start on most 5A teams.

The trenches are where most 4A teams are LIGHT in comparison to the powerhouse 5A teams. I stand by what said about the year's SC QB & Receivers giving heck to a lot of 5A schools.
[/quote] I know those SC kids can play... I have no doubt. Watch you guys last year when I thought there would be a possible Manvel/SC match-up. Manvel skill players (several D1's commits) took us as far as we could go in week 1 vs NS. We got destroyed in the trenches and NS eventually wore us down and took over the game. I totally understand what you are thinking, but it will not work week in and week out. Manvel emptied the talent tree from the Freshman team on up... start putting the best talent in game situations until we learned to compete, finish and become well rounded. Never would have had to do that in 4A bro. Like I say... I have total respect for LP and PAM for learning how to adjust with the bare minimum. Most don't bro... honestly most get crushed by mid-season. Look at LT... a few injuries and stiffer competition got them wiped out 1st round, by a average 5A team. It's for real in 5A. And SC please don't fall in 21-5A... Please don't.
[/quote]

SC isn't going to 5A with all these high schools around the corner. A once very proud Humble High School dropped to 4A and they're now STRUGGLING IN 4A! Humble was a very formidable opponent PRE-Atascocita High School. Now with SC drawing from the talent pool too, I really think we have three 4A schools in the area. I don't see the numbers in Humble/Atascocita picking up to compete with a Katy area talent pool.

Slo-mo Katy needs to thank God Northshore and Galena Park didn't combine. If they did, Katy would be getting their tails whooped year in and year out. Same deal with a combined single Humble school district. Katy would need motorcycles to keep up with the speed on this side of town.
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Every year its the same crap out of you Humble ISD people. We are what we are, and you are what you are. Take the best SC got, and the best we got. and you lose by 30, that simple.

On the note about SC never being 5a. You are right, they probably wont. My wife works for Humble ISD Administration, and Humble ISD is DONE building high school for the next 20 years. But they will be redrawing the lines VERY soon. Summer Creek and Atascocita will be downsizing and giving neighborhoods back to Humble. Had this not occured, Summer Creek would of been 5a next alignment. More then likely you will see both Humble and Summer Creek return to 5a together. Can't wait to beat on the purple kittens again and maroon puppies when they finally do come up
[/quote]

Yeah, I can't see Humble needing to build anymore high schools ...its sorta crazy and I really do believe the new high schools were more about selling high priced homes than actual need. Two high schools tops would have done the job with a small expansion of each school.

The neighborhood give back is also about keeping current and new homeowners happy as well. I knew this was coming. Humble should be a much better team after this realignment and SC will most likely suffer. Summer Creek was supposedly built to service the Summerwood (my community) and Fall Creek masterplan communities. All I'll say is the SC student population does not match the demographics of these communites. Now, lets change the subject quick before we both get in trouble for talking about sensitive issues outside of football.

I think Humble and SC would be foolish to go 5A unless there's some crazy population boom in the area. Atascocita needs to drop down like Humble.

TIGERATTACK · November 20, 2012

[quote name="cougar14" post="1338104" timestamp="1353446707"]
[quote author=TIGERATTACK link=topic=106400.msg1338093#msg1338093 date=1353445129]
You also have to remember, that Katy demolished Humble when it was sporting 5000+ kids. When your Varsity was as big as ours. When you were far more talented, far faster, and at times even better coached. You took it to us one year, only to lose to us in the playoffs in what wasn't even a game.

Ive seen the best Humble area has to offer, trust me some of the names that came out of Humble high school are Texas football legends. They just weren't enough. Best team the Humble ISD team i saw was hands down the Wildcats 97 team. Probably the best i have ever seen, unfortunetly they had their key players out in the playoff game against Beaumont. shame too, you don't have that sort of talent on your team but once ever 20-30 years.
[/quote]Humble has never had 5000 kids, this is their highest listed enrollment:http://high-schools.com/report/tx/public-school-enrollment-rank-in-texas.html

Gary Joseph is the reason Katy is what it is, not their talent.
Prime example - Katy 5 state titles, North Shore 1
Current NFL players
Katy North Shore
Andy Dalton Corey Redding(Colts)
Chykie Brown(Ravens)
Earl Mitchell(Texans)
Andre Gurode
Kevin Rutland(Jaguars)

Soon to be Trey Hopkins at Texas also. I could put the current college players on there but I would run out of space. Y'all had one big time recruit at Katy and he flamed out at UCLA once he wasn't running behind a high school line that made tunnels. If Gary Joseph was at North Shore with that kind of talent he would have would probably have a college job by now like Chad Morris (Clemson) got when he was at Travis. Has Katy ever won a title in D1?
[/quote]

My wife oversaw the Standarized Testing in 2005, when they turned in (and called to check if i was right) 5108 kids.

DemDAWGS! · November 20, 2012

[quote name="cougar14" post="1338104" timestamp="1353446707"]
[quote author=TIGERATTACK link=topic=106400.msg1338093#msg1338093 date=1353445129]
You also have to remember, that Katy demolished Humble when it was sporting 5000+ kids. When your Varsity was as big as ours. When you were far more talented, far faster, and at times even better coached. You took it to us one year, only to lose to us in the playoffs in what wasn't even a game.

Ive seen the best Humble area has to offer, trust me some of the names that came out of Humble high school are Texas football legends. They just weren't enough. Best team the Humble ISD team i saw was hands down the Wildcats 97 team. Probably the best i have ever seen, unfortunetly they had their key players out in the playoff game against Beaumont. shame too, you don't have that sort of talent on your team but once ever 20-30 years.
[/quote]Humble has never had 5000 kids, this is their highest listed enrollment:http://high-schools.com/report/tx/public-school-enrollment-rank-in-texas.html

Gary Joseph is the reason Katy is what it is, not their talent.
Prime example - Katy 5 state titles, North Shore 1
Current NFL players
Katy North Shore
Andy Dalton Corey Redding(Colts)
Chykie Brown(Ravens)
Earl Mitchell(Texans)
Andre Gurode
Kevin Rutland(Jaguars)

Soon to be Trey Hopkins at Texas also. I could put the current college players on there but I would run out of space. Y'all had one big time recruit at Katy and he flamed out at UCLA once he wasn't running behind a high school line that made tunnels. If Gary Joseph was at North Shore with that kind of talent he would have would probably have a college job by now like Chad Morris (Clemson) got when he was at Travis. Has Katy ever won a title in D1?
[/quote]

GREAT correction and analysis. I was going to look at the number of D1 success each school has to date. I'm really not trying to diminsh Katy's accomplishments. I don't wanna sound like the SC haters out there. I'm just saying that school has some SLOW "skill" position players and w/o their 300lb lineman, that team would be sunk. Fundamentals and great coaching can win on the high school level. Talent and speed win at the next level. Everyone is well coached at the next level.

TIGERATTACK · November 20, 2012

[quote name="DemDAWGS!" post="1338124" timestamp="1353448039"]
[quote author=TIGERATTACK link=topic=106400.msg1338089#msg1338089 date=1353444765]
[quote author=DemDAWGS! link=topic=106400.msg1338051#msg1338051 date=1353441368]
[quote author=songone link=topic=106400.msg1338040#msg1338040 date=1353440748]
[quote author=DemDAWGS! link=topic=106400.msg1338035#msg1338035 date=1353440023]
[quote author=songone link=topic=106400.msg1338016#msg1338016 date=1353438373]
[quote author=BellBiz30 link=topic=106400.msg1336944#msg1336944 date=1353338491]
[quote author=DemDAWGS! link=topic=106400.msg1336739#msg1336739 date=1353291963]
[quote author=cpujt8 link=topic=106400.msg1336717#msg1336717 date=1353291031]
S.C.-This is Manvel, Northshore, Katy, PAM, LaPorte-see you soon-signed, 5a

p.s.-you won't scare us 8)
[/quote]

None of the teams on that list could stop this offense. Where SC would have trouble is on defense. I've seen some mammoth O-lineman on those teams. That aside, SC matches up well. Northshore needs to win some 7-on-7 vs SC in the offseason before trying to beat us in d regular season. Katy owns Northshore anyway. Katy has a smooth striding running back, but that dude is SLOW.

I don't see SC going 5A. If anything, Atascocita might drop down to 4A.
[/quote]Katy would shut you guys out! IMO!
[/quote]It's a lot of 5A teams that would beat the dog censored out of SC right now... I thought Manvel was tough censored last year too & yes we were a great 4A team. 5A is a rude awakening bro... I know, I'm experiencing it now. Early in the season PAM would have drug Manvel up and down the field. (and I'm a Manvel fan).
Honestly 5A is a whole different ball game in the trenches. Playing a teams like NS convinced me of that. When a team has 2 or 3 different, big and talented lines on both side of the ball to throw at you for 4 quarters, depth immediatedly becomes an issue. And the average 5A team never quit... never! LP and PAM has learned how to play against the big schools... Scheme wise, clock wise etc... It's not easy bro. SC can't beat half the teams that lost in the 1st round of 5A playoffs. ex: PAM, Pearland, Cy Falls, Lake Travis, Cy Fair, Klein Oak, Spring Dekaney... etc Manvel would probably be ranked #1 4A without the alignment. Now we just in the middle of the pack taking it one game at a time. It ain't easy. There's no Yates, Sharpstowns etc... in 5A playoffs.
[/quote]

Will agree totally about the depth issue and this is precisely why SC is in 4A. We have 3 schools in a small area. Now, if you were to combine those schools, we'd be beat the tar outta everyone including Katy. You can't tell me our QB and Receivers would not start on most 5A teams.

The trenches are where most 4A teams are LIGHT in comparison to the powerhouse 5A teams. I stand by what said about the year's SC QB & Receivers giving heck to a lot of 5A schools.
[/quote] I know those SC kids can play... I have no doubt. Watch you guys last year when I thought there would be a possible Manvel/SC match-up. Manvel skill players (several D1's commits) took us as far as we could go in week 1 vs NS. We got destroyed in the trenches and NS eventually wore us down and took over the game. I totally understand what you are thinking, but it will not work week in and week out. Manvel emptied the talent tree from the Freshman team on up... start putting the best talent in game situations until we learned to compete, finish and become well rounded. Never would have had to do that in 4A bro. Like I say... I have total respect for LP and PAM for learning how to adjust with the bare minimum. Most don't bro... honestly most get crushed by mid-season. Look at LT... a few injuries and stiffer competition got them wiped out 1st round, by a average 5A team. It's for real in 5A. And SC please don't fall in 21-5A... Please don't.
[/quote]

SC isn't going to 5A with all these high schools around the corner. A once very proud Humble High School dropped to 4A and they're now STRUGGLING IN 4A! Humble was a very formidable opponent PRE-Atascocita High School. Now with SC drawing from the talent pool too, I really think we have three 4A schools in the area. I don't see the numbers in Humble/Atascocita picking up to compete with a Katy area talent pool.

Slo-mo Katy needs to thank God Northshore and Galena Park didn't combine. If they did, Katy would be getting their tails whooped year in and year out. Same deal with a combined single Humble school district. Katy would need motorcycles to keep up with the speed on this side of town.
[/quote]

Every year its the same crap out of you Humble ISD people. We are what we are, and you are what you are. Take the best SC got, and the best we got. and you lose by 30, that simple.

On the note about SC never being 5a. You are right, they probably wont. My wife works for Humble ISD Administration, and Humble ISD is DONE building high school for the next 20 years. But they will be redrawing the lines VERY soon. Summer Creek and Atascocita will be downsizing and giving neighborhoods back to Humble. Had this not occured, Summer Creek would of been 5a next alignment. More then likely you will see both Humble and Summer Creek return to 5a together. Can't wait to beat on the purple kittens again and maroon puppies when they finally do come up
[/quote]

Yeah, I can't see Humble needing to build anymore high schools ...its sorta crazy and I really do believe the new high schools were more about selling high priced homes than actual need. Two high schools tops would have done the job with a small expansion of each school.

The neighborhood give back is also about keeping current and new homeowners happy as well. I knew this was coming. Humble should be a much better team after this realignment and SC will most likely suffer. Summer Creek was supposedly built to service the Summerwood (my community) and Fall Creek masterplan communities. All I'll say is the SC student population does not match the demographics of these communites. Now, lets change the subject quick before we both get in trouble for talking about sensitive issues outside of football.

I think Humble and SC would be foolish to go 5A unless there's some crazy population boom in the area. Atascocita needs to drop down like Humble.
[/quote]

Its not going to be up to them. Both schools are going to see growth in the next 5 years. That being said, Summer Creek will hit 3200 hist even withou the neighborhoods being removed. SC will be just fine after the give back, The wife and i were considering to move there with the announcment of Generation park (im in the oil business,and my firm is looking into buying parcels there). Thats going to bring a lot of folks to all three Humble ISD schools, as well as CE KING

SummerCreek it is! · November 20, 2012

[quote name="TIGERATTACK" post="1338093" timestamp="1353445129"]
You also have to remember, that Katy demolished Humble when it was sporting 5000+ kids. When your Varsity was as big as ours. When you were far more talented, far faster, and at times even better coached. You took it to us one year, only to lose to us in the playoffs in what wasn't even a game.

Ive seen the best Humble area has to offer, trust me some of the names that came out of Humble high school are Texas football legends. They just weren't enough. Best team the Humble ISD team i saw was hands down the Wildcats 97 team. Probably the best i have ever seen, unfortunetly they had their key players out in the playoff game against Beaumont. shame too, you don't have that sort of talent on your team but once ever 20-30 years.
[/quote]

That's because of coaching....Back then Humble high would have killed Katy, if they had better coaches, and majority of the community can tell you that ::)

SummerCreek it is! · November 20, 2012

I actually don't believe SC can beat a Katy or Northshore right now, they are 5a for a reason. They have talent pools twice SC size almost, and we wouldn't be able to compete with that.....now if you talking skill players, our skill players can play and start at any one of those schools...that's why we beat Northshore every year in 7 on 7..,,.you give SC Northshores and Katy lineman, and see what happens....Dline too. 8)

DemDAWGS! · November 20, 2012

[quote name="TIGERATTACK" post="1338138" timestamp="1353449168"]
[quote author=cougar14 link=topic=106400.msg1338104#msg1338104 date=1353446707]
[quote author=TIGERATTACK link=topic=106400.msg1338093#msg1338093 date=1353445129]
You also have to remember, that Katy demolished Humble when it was sporting 5000+ kids. When your Varsity was as big as ours. When you were far more talented, far faster, and at times even better coached. You took it to us one year, only to lose to us in the playoffs in what wasn't even a game.

Ive seen the best Humble area has to offer, trust me some of the names that came out of Humble high school are Texas football legends. They just weren't enough. Best team the Humble ISD team i saw was hands down the Wildcats 97 team. Probably the best i have ever seen, unfortunetly they had their key players out in the playoff game against Beaumont. shame too, you don't have that sort of talent on your team but once ever 20-30 years.
[/quote]Humble has never had 5000 kids, this is their highest listed enrollment:http://high-schools.com/report/tx/public-school-enrollment-rank-in-texas.html

Gary Joseph is the reason Katy is what it is, not their talent.
Prime example - Katy 5 state titles, North Shore 1
Current NFL players
Katy North Shore
Andy Dalton Corey Redding(Colts)
Chykie Brown(Ravens)
Earl Mitchell(Texans)
Andre Gurode
Kevin Rutland(Jaguars)

Soon to be Trey Hopkins at Texas also. I could put the current college players on there but I would run out of space. Y'all had one big time recruit at Katy and he flamed out at UCLA once he wasn't running behind a high school line that made tunnels. If Gary Joseph was at North Shore with that kind of talent he would have would probably have a college job by now like Chad Morris (Clemson) got when he was at Travis. Has Katy ever won a title in D1?
[/quote]

My wife oversaw the Standarized Testing in 2005, when they turned in (and called to check if i was right) 5108 kids.
[/quote]

You know 2,000 of those kids really live in Greenspoint and Aldeen ;D

DemDAWGS! · November 20, 2012

[quote name="SummerCreek it is!" post="1338154" timestamp="1353450696"]
I actually don't believe SC can beat a Katy or Northshore right now, they are 5a for a reason. They have talent pools twice SC size almost, and we wouldn't be able to compete with that.....now if you talking skill players, our skill players can play and start at any one of those schools...that's why we beat Northshore every year in 7 on 7..,,.you give SC Northshores and Katy lineman, and see what happens....Dline too. 8)
[/quote]

Agree 100% and that's the point I was trying to make from the start.

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