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[quote name="freeze 1914" post="1337897" timestamp="1353428611"]
Bosha and Johnson will lead HJ this year. Johnson is just a natural shooter. His cousin is former Central player Ed Garriet so you can see why shooting the ball comes natural. Expect big things from them 2 this year. They have a lot to prove.
[/quote] Ok.  That's Dubie's little cousin.    Interesting.  I knew there was something about this kid.
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Honest Abe

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[quote name="5gallonbucket" post="1337750" timestamp="1353415286"]
i was expecting a better game.

Yeah Zach English was not very assertive.....Nederland had oppurtunities to score off of breaking HJ's press but didn't.  Nederland was in bonus for most of the 1st half, (time to get aggressive) take it to the rack but didn't settled for 3s in which they didn't make many.  .

I know ned is missing a few football players, but they re not starters i know its only one game ive seenof Nederland this year but NED is not worthy of a state ranking IMO.

Central and Ozen will more than likely be the front runners this year.

Great Job HJ.
[/quote]Good points. Z. English needs to be more aggressive and shoot more than 6 times for the entire game. Not going to win any big games when one of Ur team leaders passes up shots and doesn't take it to the hole.

Additionally, all of those 3s seemed to discourage Big Ned as they didn't respond like they normally do. There was no sense of urgency. Ned's 'Big 3' were all in double figures, and I think Landry had 6 off the bench, but the other Ned players did not contribute offensively.

Ned needs to increase their intensity in big games like this one or they will be home early come playoff time.
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[quote name="5gallonbucket" post="1337750" timestamp="1353415286"]
i was expecting a better game.

Yeah Zach English was not very assertive.....Nederland had oppurtunities to score off of breaking HJ's press but didn't.  Nederland was in bonus for most of the 1st half, (time to get aggressive) take it to the rack but didn't settled for 3s in which they didn't make many.  .

I know ned is missing a few football players, but they re not starters i know its only one game ive seenof Nederland this year but NED is not worthy of a state ranking IMO.

Central and Ozen will more than likely be the front runners this year.

Great Job HJ.
[/quote]Keep in mind this is the 2nd game for both teams, they will likely be much different teams come district. We lost to HJ by 25+ last year, yet we still finished as co-champs with Central AND we won 29 games. I have confidence that Coach E. will use this as a learning experience and will find ways to motivate them for future big games.

Additionally, give credit to HJ for making 9 3s early. They just wanted it more, IMO. They have young players wanting to prove something while Ned doesn't seem to have that same drive like they had last year.

The most positive note I want to make for Ned is that we handled HJ's press much better than we did last year, but as you mentioned, Ned has to take advantage of that and attack the basket after breaking the press and not simply set up the 1/2 court offense.

I didn't see the game last year, but I'm guessing that KW Park was very aggressive last year when they broke the press in the playoffs when they gave Yates such a good game. Ned's got work to do!
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How about Ned playing a little D and banging the boards more? I don't buy the 2nd game of the season stuff. These BB specialists have done nothing but play BB for the last three years straight, around the clock, with no other interruptions. That is one reason they caught Central and Ozen looking early in district last year. This year all of Ozen and Central's players are already on the court priming for district. Ned will be competitive in district, but their ball handlers are going to have a lot of trouble with the guards from Ozen and Central. Absolutely no aggression last night and young English needs to listen to dad more and start shooting.   
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[quote name="85' HUSKER" post="1337985" timestamp="1353434868"]
How about Ned playing a little D and banging the boards more? I don't buy the 2nd game of the season stuff. These BB specialists have done nothing but play BB for the last three years straight, around the clock, with no other interruptions. That is one reason they caught Central and Ozen looking early in district last year. This year all of Ozen and Central's players are already on the court priming for district. Ned will be competitive in district, but their ball handlers are going to have a lot of trouble with the guards from Ozen and Central. Absolutely no aggression last night and young English needs to listen to dad more and start shooting. 
[/quote]As far as my 2nd game comment, I was only saying that bc we have a long season ahead, and one game the season doesn't make (for either team). I agree, English needs to listen to his dad/coach and shoot the darn ball!!  >:(
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[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1337994" timestamp="1353436208"]
[quote author=85' HUSKER link=topic=106552.msg1337985#msg1337985 date=1353434868]
How about Ned playing a little D and banging the boards more? I don't buy the 2nd game of the season stuff. These BB specialists have done nothing but play BB for the last three years straight, around the clock, with no other interruptions. That is one reason they caught Central and Ozen looking early in district last year. This year all of Ozen and Central's players are already on the court priming for district. Ned will be competitive in district, but their ball handlers are going to have a lot of trouble with the guards from Ozen and Central. Absolutely no aggression last night and young English needs to listen to dad more and start shooting. 
[/quote]As far as my 2nd game comment, I was only saying that bc we have a long season ahead, and one game the season doesn't make (for either team). I agree, English needs to listen to his dad/coach and shoot the darn ball!!  >:(
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I agree, Zach needs to stop thinking about it and just let it fly.... you can't score if you don't shoot.  He is more than able to put up 16 or more points a night... look at the kid for HJ last night #12.. he missed his first 3 shots and 2 were three pointers but he didnt lose his confidence he kept shooting and knocked down his next 4 shots.... 3 of them from 3 pt land.  In this game you got to have confidence and a short memory...
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[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=106552.msg1337994#msg1337994 date=1353436208]
[quote author=85' HUSKER link=topic=106552.msg1337985#msg1337985 date=1353434868]
How about Ned playing a little D and banging the boards more? I don't buy the 2nd game of the season stuff. These BB specialists have done nothing but play BB for the last three years straight, around the clock, with no other interruptions. That is one reason they caught Central and Ozen looking early in district last year. This year all of Ozen and Central's players are already on the court priming for district. Ned will be competitive in district, but their ball handlers are going to have a lot of trouble with the guards from Ozen and Central. Absolutely no aggression last night and young English needs to listen to dad more and start shooting. 
[/quote]As far as my 2nd game comment, I was only saying that bc we have a long season ahead, and one game the season doesn't make (for either team). I agree, English needs to listen to his dad/coach and shoot the darn ball!!  >:(
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I agree, Zach needs to stop thinking about it and just let it fly.... you can't score if you don't shoot.  He is more than able to put up 16 or more points a night... look at the kid for HJ last night #12.. he missed his first 3 shots and 2 were three pointers but he didnt lose his confidence he kept shooting and knocked down his next 4 shots.... 3 of them from 3 pt land.  In this game you got to have confidence and a short memory...
[/quote]And......easier said than done!!!
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[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1338031" timestamp="1353439746"]
[quote author=BIG SHOW link=topic=106552.msg1338008#msg1338008 date=1353437901]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=106552.msg1337994#msg1337994 date=1353436208]
[quote author=85' HUSKER link=topic=106552.msg1337985#msg1337985 date=1353434868]
How about Ned playing a little D and banging the boards more? I don't buy the 2nd game of the season stuff. These BB specialists have done nothing but play BB for the last three years straight, around the clock, with no other interruptions. That is one reason they caught Central and Ozen looking early in district last year. This year all of Ozen and Central's players are already on the court priming for district. Ned will be competitive in district, but their ball handlers are going to have a lot of trouble with the guards from Ozen and Central. Absolutely no aggression last night and young English needs to listen to dad more and start shooting. 
[/quote]As far as my 2nd game comment, I was only saying that bc we have a long season ahead, and one game the season doesn't make (for either team). I agree, English needs to listen to his dad/coach and shoot the darn ball!!  >:(
[/quote]

I agree, Zach needs to stop thinking about it and just let it fly.... you can't score if you don't shoot.  He is more than able to put up 16 or more points a night... look at the kid for HJ last night #12.. he missed his first 3 shots and 2 were three pointers but he didnt lose his confidence he kept shooting and knocked down his next 4 shots.... 3 of them from 3 pt land.  In this game you got to have confidence and a short memory...
[/quote]And......easier said than done!!!
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#12 sure made it look easy!!!!! LOL
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[quote name="BIG SHOW" post="1338053" timestamp="1353441586"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=106552.msg1338031#msg1338031 date=1353439746]
[quote author=BIG SHOW link=topic=106552.msg1338008#msg1338008 date=1353437901]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=106552.msg1337994#msg1337994 date=1353436208]
[quote author=85' HUSKER link=topic=106552.msg1337985#msg1337985 date=1353434868]
How about Ned playing a little D and banging the boards more? I don't buy the 2nd game of the season stuff. These BB specialists have done nothing but play BB for the last three years straight, around the clock, with no other interruptions. That is one reason they caught Central and Ozen looking early in district last year. This year all of Ozen and Central's players are already on the court priming for district. Ned will be competitive in district, but their ball handlers are going to have a lot of trouble with the guards from Ozen and Central. Absolutely no aggression last night and young English needs to listen to dad more and start shooting. 
[/quote]As far as my 2nd game comment, I was only saying that bc we have a long season ahead, and one game the season doesn't make (for either team). I agree, English needs to listen to his dad/coach and shoot the darn ball!!  >:(
[/quote]

I agree, Zach needs to stop thinking about it and just let it fly.... you can't score if you don't shoot.  He is more than able to put up 16 or more points a night... look at the kid for HJ last night #12.. he missed his first 3 shots and 2 were three pointers but he didnt lose his confidence he kept shooting and knocked down his next 4 shots.... 3 of them from 3 pt land.  In this game you got to have confidence and a short memory...
[/quote]And......easier said than done!!!
[/quote]
#12 sure made it look easy!!!!! LOL
[/quote]Yes he did
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[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1337601" timestamp="1353379646"]
[quote author=no-look link=topic=106552.msg1337591#msg1337591 date=1353379219]
Looks like an upset in the making...  ;D
[/quote]Not really. HJ has won a few state titles, Nederland zero. Ned has only beat HJ once, which was two years ago.
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I'm not sure about 2 years ago but Nederland beat HJ in @ HJ 2008 with seniors: Josh Dean, Jordan Pitts, Francis Torres, Chris Hammond, Evan Fitch, Freshman Dionte Forney...It was the first year they played and Torres was like the HJ players last night...he couldn't miss and scored 40.  HJ went on to have a good year as did Nederland.  These early games rarely reflect what a team will be by district.
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I know coach E will fix all the kinks by District time, he's a great coach and has done a great job everywhere he's been.  IMO he is the best coach in that district hands down.  BUT....i know what central has and I know what ozen has.

Ned will have to shoot lights out every game against ozen and Central..

Sorry Ned fans....im an outsider looking in...so i favor neither side.  Your run at top will more than likely end this year and for the next several years.  Coach E will always do a good job and keep Ned in contention.
Coach E is great at puttin his players in the right spot, but sometimes your players just can't react quick enough......ups and downs of players abilities as a whole team...is down this year for NED.
Word of advice....Don't press either team, make them play half court otherwise you may get ran out the building.
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[quote name="5gallonbucket" post="1338153" timestamp="1353450647"]
I know coach E will fix all the kinks by District time, he's a great coach and has done a great job everywhere he's been.  IMO he is the best coach in that district hands down.  BUT....i know what central has and I know what ozen has.

Ned will have to shoot lights out every game against ozen and Central..

Sorry Ned fans....im an outsider looking in...so i favor neither side.  Your run at top will more than likely end this year and for the next several years.  Coach E will always do a good job and keep Ned in contention.
Coach E is great at puttin his players in the right spot, but sometimes your players just can't react quick enough......ups and downs of players abilities as a whole team...is down this year for NED.
Word of advice....Don't press either team, make them play half court otherwise you may get ran out the building.
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[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1338178" timestamp="1353452514"]
Central and Ozen are young. Will make a lot of mistakes against a veteran team like Nederland. Look what happened to Central against Silsbee. Nederland will make the playoffs and get better as the season progress.
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Careful there, Dove.  People will start thinking you like Nederland.
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[quote name="NHS83LU87" post="1338100" timestamp="1353445953"]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=106552.msg1337601#msg1337601 date=1353379646]
[quote author=no-look link=topic=106552.msg1337591#msg1337591 date=1353379219]
Looks like an upset in the making...  ;D
[/quote]Not really. HJ has won a few state titles, Nederland zero. Ned has only beat HJ once, which was two years ago.
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I'm not sure about 2 years ago but Nederland beat HJ in @ HJ 2008 with seniors: Josh Dean, Jordan Pitts, Francis Torres, Chris Hammond, Evan Fitch, Freshman Dionte Forney...It was the first year they played and Torres was like the HJ players last night...he couldn't miss and scored 40.  HJ went on to have a good year as did Nederland.  These early games rarely reflect what a team will be by district.
[/quote]Oh ya, I forgot about that year when he dropped 40. I stand corrected, Ned has beaten HJ twice.
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