how is nederland looking this year

[stevenash]

Dove- Does Coach English consult with you on a regular basis?

[Brubaker]

Big Show, if all those football boys can do is rebound, why would they help.  Evidently that don't count as basketball skills?  Why would these football guys touch the floor if they have no basketball skills?  There's a lot more to basketball than a pretty jumpshot...

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1353229" timestamp="1355189858"]
Dove- Does Coach English consult with you on a regular basis?
[/quote] You seem surprised!!

[BIG SHOW]

[quote name="Brubaker" post="1353243" timestamp="1355191034"]
Big Show, if all those football boys can do is rebound, why would they help.  Evidently that don't count as basketball skills?  Why would these football guys touch the floor if they have no basketball skills?  There's a lot more to basketball than a pretty jumpshot...
[/quote]
IMO.. every good team needs role players... 1 of the 3 returning players has better basketball skills than the other 2 but you don't have to have great basketball skills to help your team win. This isn't a knock against any of the three boys, they are all good athletes. The truth is they don't put in the time over the summer to really improve there skills.  IMO they help the team with there size and physical ability.  They will play tough D and make you earn your baskets. They can also score under the goal as well.  Dennis Rodman didn't have great basketball skills but he help his teams win!!!!!! How? Defense and rebounding............

[Brubaker]

Then welcome them to the team, hell, beg them to come play, you need that kind of nasty.  Like I said, winning basketball games is about more than pretty jumpshots, you gotta bang too.  Sorry they don't play AAU ball, maybe you shouldn't let them on the team for that.  This kind of attitude, "they don't put in the time in the summer" is not what we need in Nederland.  Sorry, but we don't have enough lights out straight basketball playing athletes to not Welcome them no basketball skill football kids.  Just my opinion.  We used to have a LOT of very good football / basketball players... Englishs' brother was one of em, so don't give me the you gotta play year round basketball line, that's NOT true.

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="BIG SHOW" post="1353310" timestamp="1355195985"]
[quote author=Brubaker link=topic=107326.msg1353243#msg1353243 date=1355191034]
Big Show, if all those football boys can do is rebound, why would they help.  Evidently that don't count as basketball skills?  Why would these football guys touch the floor if they have no basketball skills?  There's a lot more to basketball than a pretty jumpshot...
[/quote]
IMO.. every good team needs role players... 1 of the 3 returning players has better basketball skills than the other 2 but you don't have to have great basketball skills to help your team win. This isn't a knock against any of the three boys, they are all good athletes. The truth is they don't put in the time over the summer to really improve there skills.  IMO they help the team with there size and physical ability.  They will play tough D and make you earn your baskets. They can also score under the goal as well.  Dennis Rodman didn't have great basketball skills but he help his teams win!!!!!! How? Defense and rebounding............
[/quote]Rodman was  effective because he knew his strengths and used them to help define his role on the team. Rarity today.

[Brubaker]

Would Rodman be welcome on the team or slighted because he didn't have "BASKETBALL SKILLS?"

[BigDog007]

Dogs are looking good this year...starting 5 has changed up a little the past week with Taylor starting instead of Rogers. With the FB guys coming in to give Weisbrod some rest the inside will only get better.

[asary]

Brubaker......
don't get your feelings hurt. The FB boys I'm sure are welcome and will contribute...NO DOUBT........BUT...... to fully develop basketball skills you simply have to play year round.

[BIG SHOW]

[quote name="Brubaker" post="1353374" timestamp="1355200878"]
Then welcome them to the team, heck, beg them to come play, you need that kind of nasty.  Like I said, winning basketball games is about more than pretty jumpshots, you gotta bang too.  Sorry they don't play AAU ball, maybe you shouldn't let them on the team for that.  This kind of attitude, "they don't put in the time in the summer" is not what we need in Nederland.  Sorry, but we don't have enough lights out straight basketball playing athletes to not Welcome them no basketball skill football kids.  Just my opinion.  We used to have a LOT of very good football / basketball players... Englishs' brother was one of em, so don't give me the you gotta play year round basketball line, that's NOT true.
[/quote]
LOL......I never said there not welcomed back to the team, i am glad to see them back to the team.  There is no doubt that they are going to make the team better. This team needs some toughness and they will bring this to the team.

[GoBigBlue1997]

[quote name="Brubaker" post="1353374" timestamp="1355200878"]
Then welcome them to the team, heck, beg them to come play, you need that kind of nasty.  Like I said, winning basketball games is about more than pretty jumpshots, you gotta bang too.  Sorry they don't play AAU ball, maybe you shouldn't let them on the team for that.  This kind of attitude, "they don't put in the time in the summer" is not what we need in Nederland.  Sorry, but we don't have enough lights out straight basketball playing athletes to not Welcome them no basketball skill football kids.  Just my opinion.  We used to have a LOT of very good football / basketball players... Englishs' brother was one of em, so don't give me the you gotta play year round basketball line, that's NOT true.
[/quote]

I think you are completely missing the boat on this one.  Obviously we welcome them to the team.  As stated several times, they will help with defense and rebounding, which Nederland really needs.  I dont think you are so naive to not know that each sport has its own set of "skills" that are unique to its sport.  Dribbling, shooting and passing come to mind in basketball.  Those I would consider Basketball skills.  Just because you may not be strong in those skills, doesnt mean you are not athletic and that you cant help a basketball team in other ways.  The kids that are coming over from football are great kids.  Basketball may be their 2nd or 3rd option as far as sports go.  They might rather spend their summer and off-season developing their skills in other sports or areas and that is absolutely okay.  Nobody in my opionion is trying to be offensive to these kids (I know I am not).  I dont see them as just being "Extra Bodies" out there, but will be key components in helping this team achieve its goals for this season.   

[BIG SHOW]

[quote name="GoBigBlue1997" post="1353425" timestamp="1355230012"]
[quote author=Brubaker link=topic=107326.msg1353374#msg1353374 date=1355200878]
Then welcome them to the team, heck, beg them to come play, you need that kind of nasty.  Like I said, winning basketball games is about more than pretty jumpshots, you gotta bang too.  Sorry they don't play AAU ball, maybe you shouldn't let them on the team for that.  This kind of attitude, "they don't put in the time in the summer" is not what we need in Nederland.  Sorry, but we don't have enough lights out straight basketball playing athletes to not Welcome them no basketball skill football kids.  Just my opinion.  We used to have a LOT of very good football / basketball players... Englishs' brother was one of em, so don't give me the you gotta play year round basketball line, that's NOT true.
[/quote]

I think you are completely missing the boat on this one.  Obviously we welcome them to the team.  As stated several times, they will help with defense and rebounding, which Nederland really needs.  I dont think you are so naive to not know that each sport has its own set of "skills" that are unique to its sport.  Dribbling, shooting and passing come to mind in basketball.  Those I would consider Basketball skills.  Just because you may not be strong in those skills, doesnt mean you are not athletic and that you cant help a basketball team in other ways.  The kids that are coming over from football are great kids.  Basketball may be their 2nd or 3rd option as far as sports go.  They might rather spend their summer and off-season developing their skills in other sports or areas and that is absolutely okay.  Nobody in my opionion is trying to be offensive to these kids (I know I am not).  I dont see them as just being "Extra Bodies" out there, but will be key components in helping this team achieve its goals for this season. 
[/quote]
I second that!!!!!!!!

[BIG SHOW]

[quote name="Brubaker" post="1353390" timestamp="1355202353"]
Would Rodman be welcome on the team or slighted because he didn't have "BASKETBALL SKILLS?"
[/quote]
He would be welcomed with open arms.... just like the FB players.

[Honest Abe]

Looking back over this conversation, I'm not sure how this got so out of hand. I never saw anyone claim that the FB kids should not be allowed on the team. I believe they are desperately needed in order for us to make another deep playoff run. Regardless of what skill set 5on5 believes they have or Big Show or Brubaker or myself believes. What matters is what the coaches think. Last year, these guys played a big role in our success.

If we play a BIG team, then Washington and Couron will be utilized more so than when we play a team like Silsbee. Kimler is more diverse, bc he's fast AND he plays physical (which we desperately need)! Kimler was a defensive specialist for most of last year, and he played limited minutes. When he asked Coach E. to move down to JV for 2nd half of district, he was able to work on his offensive and skill sets. He returned to Varsity for playoffs. If he has developed an outside shot since last season, he could be deadly. 

Did these players improved their basketball skills since last year, IMO yes, just not as much as the non-FB kids. Brubaker mentioned English's brother being good at both sports, but that was over 20 years ago when kids didn't play year round. Plus, he was more of an exception rather than the norm. In addition, since our FB team made a deep run this year, so those kids will have to put in extra time if they want to make a serious impact for the team. It can happen though: Just 2 years ago, D. Forney was our QB then starred on the BBall team. It took him about a month to get to where he was from previous year as it will take a while for these kids too. Hopefully they will work hard over the Christmas Break so they can be 'ready'.

Bottom line: We need them in order to make another deep run!

[BMTSoulja1]

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1353486" timestamp="1355240163"]
Looking back over this conversation, I'm not sure how this got so out of hand. I never saw anyone claim that the FB kids should not be allowed on the team. I believe they are desperately needed in order for us to make another deep playoff run. Regardless of what skill set 5on5 believes they have or Big Show or Brubaker or myself believes. What matters is what the coaches think. Last year, these guys played a big role in our success.

If we play a BIG team, then Washington and Couron will be utilized more so than when we play a team like Silsbee. Kimler is more diverse, bc he's fast AND he plays physical (which we desperately need)! Kimler was a defensive specialist for most of last year, and he played limited minutes. When he asked Coach E. to move down to JV for 2nd half of district, he was able to work on his offensive and skill sets. He returned to Varsity for playoffs. If he has developed an outside shot since last season, he could be deadly. 

Did these players improved their basketball skills since last year, IMO yes, just not as much as the non-FB kids. Brubaker mentioned English's brother being good at both sports, but that was over 20 years ago when kids didn't play year round. Plus, he was more of an exception rather than the norm. In addition, since our FB team made a deep run this year, so those kids will have to put in extra time if they want to make a serious impact for the team. It can happen though: Just 2 years ago, D. Forney was our QB then starred on the BBall team. It took him about a month to get to where he was from previous year as it will take a while for these kids too. Hopefully they will work hard over the Christmas Break so they can be 'ready'.

Bottom line: We need them in order to make another deep run!
[/quote] Yes, bring the big guns in.  Nothing wrong with that.  They will be utilized.

[Honest Abe]

IMO, the way these kids will be utilized depends largely on their learning curve, and their desire to wanting to be on the court. For starters, They all have to relearn the offense, which will take time. English's offense is very detailed and structured. If these kids want to play, then they need to put in extra hours with the kids who know the offense already. If their passion for basketball is the same as it is for FB, then they will spend the extra time towards their basketball skills physically AND mentally.

Couron and Washington are a little beat up from FB, so they won't even practice until next week. Hopefully they at least attend practice and pay attention and learn their plays.

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1353513" timestamp="1355243483"]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=107326.msg1353486#msg1353486 date=1355240163]
Looking back over this conversation, I'm not sure how this got so out of hand. I never saw anyone claim that the FB kids should not be allowed on the team. I believe they are desperately needed in order for us to make another deep playoff run. Regardless of what skill set 5on5 believes they have or Big Show or Brubaker or myself believes. What matters is what the coaches think. Last year, these guys played a big role in our success.

If we play a BIG team, then Washington and Couron will be utilized more so than when we play a team like Silsbee. Kimler is more diverse, bc he's fast AND he plays physical (which we desperately need)! Kimler was a defensive specialist for most of last year, and he played limited minutes. When he asked Coach E. to move down to JV for 2nd half of district, he was able to work on his offensive and skill sets. He returned to Varsity for playoffs. If he has developed an outside shot since last season, he could be deadly. 

Did these players improved their basketball skills since last year, IMO yes, just not as much as the non-FB kids. Brubaker mentioned English's brother being good at both sports, but that was over 20 years ago when kids didn't play year round. Plus, he was more of an exception rather than the norm. In addition, since our FB team made a deep run this year, so those kids will have to put in extra time if they want to make a serious impact for the team. It can happen though: Just 2 years ago, D. Forney was our QB then starred on the BBall team. It took him about a month to get to where he was from previous year as it will take a while for these kids too. Hopefully they will work hard over the Christmas Break so they can be 'ready'.

Bottom line: We need them in order to make another deep run!
[/quote] Yes, bring the big guns in.  Nothing wrong with that.  They will be utilized.
[/quote] Oh I gotcha Souljah, in other words Central got this over Nederland no matter who they bring to the gym that night ;)  ;D

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1353516" timestamp="1355244525"]
IMO, the way these kids will be utilized depends largely on their learning curve, and their desire to wanting to be on the court. For starters, They all have to relearn the offense, which will take time. English's offense is very detailed and structured. If these kids want to play, then they need to put in extra hours with the kids who know the offense already. If their passion for basketball is the same as it is for FB, then they will spend the extra time towards their basketball skills physically AND mentally.

Couron and Washington are a little beat up from FB, so they won't even practice until next week. Hopefully they at least attend practice and pay attention and learn their plays.
[/quote] You make some very good points: "  If these kids want to play, then [color=red]they need to put in extra hours[/color] with the kids who know the offense already. If their [color=red]passion [/color]for basketball is the same as it is for FB, then [color=red]they will spend the extra time towards their basketball skills physically AND mentally. "[/color]

[BMTSoulja1]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1353523" timestamp="1355247040"]
[quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=107326.msg1353513#msg1353513 date=1355243483]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=107326.msg1353486#msg1353486 date=1355240163]
Looking back over this conversation, I'm not sure how this got so out of hand. I never saw anyone claim that the FB kids should not be allowed on the team. I believe they are desperately needed in order for us to make another deep playoff run. Regardless of what skill set 5on5 believes they have or Big Show or Brubaker or myself believes. What matters is what the coaches think. Last year, these guys played a big role in our success.

If we play a BIG team, then Washington and Couron will be utilized more so than when we play a team like Silsbee. Kimler is more diverse, bc he's fast AND he plays physical (which we desperately need)! Kimler was a defensive specialist for most of last year, and he played limited minutes. When he asked Coach E. to move down to JV for 2nd half of district, he was able to work on his offensive and skill sets. He returned to Varsity for playoffs. If he has developed an outside shot since last season, he could be deadly. 

Did these players improved their basketball skills since last year, IMO yes, just not as much as the non-FB kids. Brubaker mentioned English's brother being good at both sports, but that was over 20 years ago when kids didn't play year round. Plus, he was more of an exception rather than the norm. In addition, since our FB team made a deep run this year, so those kids will have to put in extra time if they want to make a serious impact for the team. It can happen though: Just 2 years ago, D. Forney was our QB then starred on the BBall team. It took him about a month to get to where he was from previous year as it will take a while for these kids too. Hopefully they will work hard over the Christmas Break so they can be 'ready'.

Bottom line: We need them in order to make another deep run!
[/quote] Yes, bring the big guns in.  Nothing wrong with that.  They will be utilized.
[/quote] Oh I gotcha Souljah, in other words Central got this over Nederland no matter who they bring to the gym that night ;)  ;D
[/quote]  I didn't say that, but...  ;D

[stevenash]

Soulja, that couldnt be Da Dove stirring the pot could it?  I just can't imagine he would do something like that.

[BMTSoulja1]

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1353551" timestamp="1355251493"]
Soulja, that couldnt be Da Dove stirring the pot could it?  I just can't imagine he would do something like that.
[/quote] I know, right?  Lol

[BLUEDOVE3]

Look, I only re-phrased the statement and kept the author's main point :D

[stevenash]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1353568" timestamp="1355253772"]
Look, I only re-phrased the statement and kept the author's main point :D
[/quote]

No- the truth is that you are trying to push buttons other than mine

[BLUEDOVE3]

Speaking of pushing buttons, I see where RcsSports has Nederland as the underdog against (????) P.A. Memorial?

[Honest Abe]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1353588" timestamp="1355255716"]
Speaking of pushing buttons, I see where RcsSports has Nederland as the underdog against (????) P.A. Memorial?
[/quote]
It's pretty simple:

PAM beat The Village recently, who turned around a few hours later and beat Nederland.  :-\