**EAST CHAMBERS TOURNEY UPDATES**

[stevenash]

attention all local coaches:  You are hereby instructed not to enter any tournaments until certain tourney "experts"( even if only self perceived) approve your participation

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[quote name="Stevenash" post="1360353" timestamp="1357075276"]
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[quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=107769.msg1360343#msg1360343 date=1357073203]
You ever stop long enough to think that:
1) HJ has no control over who they get matched up with
2). This has always been a 12 team tourney and 3 teams dropped late and EC was very limited on who they could get to fill in as evidenced by the fact that it ended up as a 9 team tourney this year

EC has traditionally been a very competitive tournament that got some bad breaks this year
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Why not just go to where the competition at? We all know where that was. They determine what tournaments they go to. I wonder why teams dropped out, I surely wasn't because the tournament was to strong. HJ to good to be playing against those small schools
[/quote]      Hey, Mr. scheduling expert.  why dont you wait until your team has been to six consecutive regional tourneys and two trips to austin and a state title in the last 6 years.  When you have done that, maybe the HJ crowd will consider your opinion as credible.
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How I knew somebody would justify HJ playing a JV team. What does all that have to do with them playing in a sub par tournament. All that is past accomplishments. Tell me how playing in that tournament will have them ready. Ozen JV have college prospect on it.

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[quote name="Stevenash" post="1360354" timestamp="1357075341"]
attention all local coaches:  You are hereby instructed not to enter any tournaments until certain tourney "experts"( even if only self perceived) approve your participation
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Hey coaches its okay to go to tournaments that you haven't ever loss in instead of putting your team thru a test to get ready for the playoffs.

[stevenash]

Hey coaches, particularly successful ones:  You are probably better qualified to choose your schedule than somebody posting on this board

[stevenash]

[quote name="freeze 1914" post="1360392" timestamp="1357083042"]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360353#msg1360353 date=1357075276]
[quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=107769.msg1360346#msg1360346 date=1357074087]
[quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=107769.msg1360343#msg1360343 date=1357073203]
You ever stop long enough to think that:
1) HJ has no control over who they get matched up with
2). This has always been a 12 team tourney and 3 teams dropped late and EC was very limited on who they could get to fill in as evidenced by the fact that it ended up as a 9 team tourney this year

EC has traditionally been a very competitive tournament that got some bad breaks this year
[/quote]

Why not just go to where the competition at? We all know where that was. They determine what tournaments they go to. I wonder why teams dropped out, I surely wasn't because the tournament was to strong. HJ to good to be playing against those small schools
[/quote]      Hey, Mr. scheduling expert.  why dont you wait until your team has been to six consecutive regional tourneys and two trips to austin and a state title in the last 6 years.  When you have done that, maybe the HJ crowd will consider your opinion as credible.
[/quote]


How I knew somebody would justify HJ playing a JV team. What does all that have to do with them playing in a sub par tournament. All that is past accomplishments. Tell me how playing in that tournament will have them ready. Ozen JV have college prospect on it.
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Most teams that play in 3-a dont have d-1 college prospects on it.  They have been playing the same basic schedule for a very long time and their playoff success in recent years is unparallelled by anyone in this area.  Therefore, whatever approach they are taking is PROVEN to be a good one.  Pleasing you is not a priority or a necessity for doing well.    Preparing for the playoffs?  23-5 in playoff competition since 2007.  Not good enough for you?  Who did better?

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[quote name="Stevenash" post="1360404" timestamp="1357084449"]
[quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=107769.msg1360392#msg1360392 date=1357083042]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360353#msg1360353 date=1357075276]
[quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=107769.msg1360346#msg1360346 date=1357074087]
[quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=107769.msg1360343#msg1360343 date=1357073203]
You ever stop long enough to think that:
1) HJ has no control over who they get matched up with
2). This has always been a 12 team tourney and 3 teams dropped late and EC was very limited on who they could get to fill in as evidenced by the fact that it ended up as a 9 team tourney this year

EC has traditionally been a very competitive tournament that got some bad breaks this year
[/quote]

Why not just go to where the competition at? We all know where that was. They determine what tournaments they go to. I wonder why teams dropped out, I surely wasn't because the tournament was to strong. HJ to good to be playing against those small schools
[/quote]      Hey, Mr. scheduling expert.  why dont you wait until your team has been to six consecutive regional tourneys and two trips to austin and a state title in the last 6 years.  When you have done that, maybe the HJ crowd will consider your opinion as credible.
[/quote]


How I knew somebody would justify HJ playing a JV team. What does all that have to do with them playing in a sub par tournament. All that is past accomplishments. Tell me how playing in that tournament will have them ready. Ozen JV have college prospect on it.
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Most teams that play in 3-a dont have d-1 college prospects on it.  They have been playing the same basic schedule for a very long time and their playoff success in recent years is unparallelled by anyone in this area.  Therefore, whatever approach they are taking is PROVEN to be a good one


.  Pleasing you is not a priority o

r a necessity for doing well.
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Thank you for saying that. So if you do have d1 prospects on your team, like HJ does, why would you play in these tournaments you know your going to win, instead of playing better competition to boost your players stock. Oh my fault as long as they have a good record and kids going to juco its fine. Playing Ozen JV will surely get those guys to d1.

[stevenash]

The objective of the TEAM (not individual) is what is most important.  If a kid can get seen in Huntsville or Austin, it will help him a lot more than it will to be seen at the James Gamble tourney.  Your personal "issues" regarding HJ came to the surface in your last tirade(regarding Central coaching) and it is about to again.  Rest assured that the individual you believe you are helping can only be harmed by your efforts. 

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[quote name="Stevenash" post="1360407" timestamp="1357085446"]
The objective of the TEAM (not individual) is what is most important.  If a kid can get seen in Huntsville or Austin, it will help him a lot more than it will to be seen at the James Gamble tourney.  Your personal "issues" regarding HJ came to the surface in your last tirade(regarding Central coaching) and it is about to again.  Rest assured that the individual you believe you are helping can only be harmed by your efforts.
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This has nothing to do with central or one individual. It's about playing in a sub par tournament and blowing everybody out. You still can't tell me how did playing Ozen JV will help them down the road or a East Chambers team. And you named all these accomplishment HJ has, which great team accomplishments that nobody in the area can touch but of all these great teams how many of those kids got college scholarships outside of juco? Explain that. So you saying none of those teams had d1 talent?

[stevenash]

Please list for me all of the 3-a players from this area that have gotten d-1scholarhsips in recent years. And dont insult me by suggesting it has nothing to do with a single individual.  Do you know how ABSOLUTELY foolish you look criticizing a highly accomplished coaching staff/program?  You also look pretty foolish tryng to imply that HJ somehow knew in advance they would play the Ozen JV.  Three teams pulled out of that tourney at a very late stage and that is probably why the Ozen JV was given a spot in the tourney.  As i said earlier, name another local team who is 23-5 in the playoffs the last five or six years, and then I will consider that your position has the slightest bit of credibility.

[SFAJax96]

been reading this crap and got so tired of the ignorance I felt compelled to register.

If you are ignorant enough to think a teams schedule affects whether or not a kid plays in college then it explains why you say the things you say. 

from reading these posts it sounds as if you (freeze) are a coach too
if thats the case and you are so concerned about hjs schedule then be a man and take your happy tail up to the school, be a man, and ask the coach face to face instead being a chicken crap and stirring it up on some message board.

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[quote name="Stevenash" post="1360416" timestamp="1357087610"]
Please list for me all of the 3-a players from this area that have gotten d-1scholarhsips in recent years. And dont insult me by suggesting it has nothing to do with a single individual.  Do you know how ABSOLUTELY foolish you look criticizing a highly accomplished coaching staff/program?  You also look pretty foolish tryng to imply that HJ somehow knew in advance they would play the Ozen JV.  Three teams pulled out of that tourney at a very late stage and that is probably why the Ozen JV was given a spot in the tourney.  As i said earlier, name another local team who is 23-5 in the playoffs the last five or six years, and then I will consider that your position has the slightest bit of credibility.
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Nobody criticizing no coach. You want to make it look like that because I said they played in a sub par tournament. Any school with that much talent every year who plays 2a school would have such record. Ryan Donahoe was d1 talent, Shawn Prudhomme was d1 talent, Tron Rideaux was d1 talent. This years team has less talent than former teams. At the end of the day if you plan to compete with Yates, you have to play Yated type talent. Playing in Anuhac and East Chambers don't get you that type of competition,but you being a fan and worrying about records but never making it over the hump is fine with you right.

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[quote name="SFAJax96" post="1360417" timestamp="1357087823"]
been reading this crap and got so tired of the ignorance I felt compelled to register.

If you are ignorant enough to think a teams schedule affects whether or not a kid plays in college then it explains why you say the things you say. 

from reading these posts it sounds as if you (freeze) are a coach too
if thats the case and you are so concerned about hjs schedule then be a man and take your happy a$$ up to the school, be a man, and ask the coach face to face instead being a chicken $hit and stirring it up on
some message board.
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First of all Mr jax nothing about what I said was ignorant. If you think a college coach want to come in the gym and see a player he looking at play a JV team you need to think again. I have asked the right people and they say its a tradition but wish they had better level of comp there. Second of all watch your language. I'm nor stirring up nothing. It's a message board. This is what suppose to happen on it. Duh!!! It only does effect potential scholarships but it also affect you down the line when it really count.

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[quote name="SFAJax96" post="1360417" timestamp="1357087823"]
been reading this crap and got so tired of the ignorance I felt compelled to register.

If you are ignorant enough to think a teams schedule affects whether or not a kid plays in college then it explains why you say the things you say. 

from reading these posts it sounds as if you (freeze) are a coach too
if thats the case and you are so concerned about hjs schedule then be a man and take your happy a$$ up to the school, be a man, and ask the coach face to face instead being a chicken $hit and stirring it up on some message board.
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So you mean to tell me that a kid playing 1a ball and averages 30 will get the same looks as a kid playing 5a ball averaging 30?

[stevenash]

[quote name="freeze 1914" post="1360419" timestamp="1357088320"]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360416#msg1360416 date=1357087610]
Please list for me all of the 3-a players from this area that have gotten d-1scholarhsips in recent years. And dont insult me by suggesting it has nothing to do with a single individual.  Do you know how ABSOLUTELY foolish you look criticizing a highly accomplished coaching staff/program?  You also look pretty foolish tryng to imply that HJ somehow knew in advance they would play the Ozen JV.  Three teams pulled out of that tourney at a very late stage and that is probably why the Ozen JV was given a spot in the tourney.  As i said earlier, name another local team who is 23-5 in the playoffs the last five or six years, and then I will consider that your position has the slightest bit of credibility.
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Nobody criticizing no coach. You want to make it look like that because I said they played in a sub par tournament. Any school with that much talent every year who plays 2a school would have such record. Ryan Donahoe was d1 talent, Shawn Prudhomme was d1 talent, Tron Rideaux was d1 talent. This years team has less talent than former teams. At the end of the day if you plan to compete with Yates, you have to play Yated type talent. Playing in Anuhac and East Chambers don't get you that type of competition,but you being a fan and worrying about records but never making it over the hump is fine with you right.
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Lets see:

Ryan Donahoe:  had scholarship papers from SFA on the coaches desk on signing day and refused to sign them because of poor advice from an AAU coach who had convinced him something better was coming.

Shawn Prudhomme:  was scheduled to visit Nicholls and Charleston Southern, and had a private workout with UNO.  Nicholls and Charleston Southern called and "dumped" him on the same day.  Their fear was that he wasn't a good enough three point shooter.  However, if you go look it up, he is currently 3rd in his conference in 3 point shooting at 42% so an obvious mistake on the DI school's parts.

Tron Rideaux:  My youngest son played with him and laughed hysterically when I told him what you said.  He was not even an all-district player in high school much less DI material.

If you are as educated on the recruiting process as you are attempting to lead everyone to believe then you would know that 90% of the recruiting process takes place during the summer.  So, no, the season schedule has very little to do with it.  Kenyon Spears (at UNO and HJ grad) once told me that if you can play they will find you.  I trust his word more than yours.

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[quote name="Stevenash" post="1360432" timestamp="1357090761"]
[quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=107769.msg1360419#msg1360419 date=1357088320]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=107769.msg1360416#msg1360416 date=1357087610]
Please list for me all of the 3-a players from this area that have gotten d-1scholarhsips in recent years. And dont insult me by suggesting it has nothing to do with a single individual.  Do you know how ABSOLUTELY foolish you look criticizing a highly accomplished coaching staff/program?  You also look pretty foolish tryng to imply that HJ somehow knew in advance they would play the Ozen JV.  Three teams pulled out of that tourney at a very late stage and that is probably why the Ozen JV was given a spot in the tourney.  As i said earlier, name another local team who is 23-5 in the playoffs the last five or six years, and then I will consider that your position has the slightest bit of credibility.
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Nobody criticizing no coach. You want to make it look like that because I said they played in a sub par tournament. Any school with that much talent every year who plays 2a school would have such record. Ryan Donahoe was d1 talent, Shawn Prudhomme was d1 talent, Tron Rideaux was d1 talent. This years team has less talent than former teams. At the end of the day if you plan to compete with Yates, you have to play Yated type talent. Playing in Anuhac and East Chambers don't get you that type of competition,but you being a fan and worrying about records but never making it over the hump is fine with you right.
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Lets see:

Ryan Donahoe:  had scholarship papers from SFA on the coaches desk on signing day and refused to sign them because of poor advice from an AAU coach who had convinced him something better was coming.

Shawn Prudhomme:  was scheduled to visit Nicholls and Charleston Southern, and had a private workout with UNO.  Nicholls and Charleston Southern called and "dumped" him on the same day.  Their fear was that he wasn't a good enough three point shooter.  However, if you go look it up, he is currently 3rd in his conference in 3 point shooting at 42% so an obvious mistake on the DI school's parts.

Tron Rideaux:  My youngest son played with him and laughed hysterically when I told him what you said.  He was not even an all-district player in high school much less DI material.

If you are as educated on the recyruiting process as you are attempting to lead everyone to believe then you would know that 90% of the recruiting process takes place during the summer.  So, no, the season schedule has very little to do with it.  Kenyon Spears (at UNO and HJ grad) once told me that if you can play they will find you.  I trust his word more than yours.
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I laugh at you when u talk about recruiting. Now the Donahoe situation I just got word on that one. I know kenyon. Shawn only had Nichols and Charleston south. That's it. All the work he gave at HJ. Nichols only recruit 3 point shooters, mainly Australians. The weakest team in the southland. Kenyon speak about players all the time. Ask him why be is not in HJ gym. He sure not caring about a record. Colleges want battle tested kids. Before you knock somebody background make sure you know it first. I can recruit you and anybody you know under the table rookie. This whole thing got took out of the prospective all because I asked why was HJ in the weak tournament and the HJ faithfuls come to the rescue defending records. I watched what central did and I watched them play Ozen jv. Any championship game of a tournament as one sided as EC game was shows that one team didn't have no business there. Point blank period

[stevenash]

First of all, until you master the English language, you wont be out recruiting anybody.  Kenyon was in my sons wedding and i have forgotten more about Kenyon than you will know the rest of your life.  But, none of that matters.  The point is that the schedule has little if anything to do with whether a kid gets a scholarship offer.  Donahoe had his offer and it had NOTHING to do with his schedule.  The two schools who recruited Prudhomme were NOT recruiting him and then decided to drop him by virtue of the schedule he played.  FYI-  Kenyon had to walk on at  Lamar his first year and earned a scholarship.  James Gulley had a very successful career at lamar and it was NOT, under ANY circumstance based on the "difficult" schedule played by Newton.  Simlarly, RonJackson was a star at Central (where the schedule is so much "harder") and played sparingly his senior year at Lamar. 

[stevenash]

How tough were the schedules of Normangees Joseph Jones before he played at A&M?  Same goes for Shaq at San Antonio Cole

[Lazeek]

My question is with Central and Silsbee playing such tough schedules over the last 6 years is how many D1 offers have they received?

[AggiesAreWe]

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="1360445" timestamp="1357093159"]
My question is with Central and Silsbee playing such tough schedules over the last 6 years is how many D1 offers have they received?
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Why is Silsbee getting dragged into this?

Who said their schedule over the last 6 years was real tough?

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[quote name="Stevenash" post="1360444" timestamp="1357093030"]
How tough were the schedules of Normangees Joseph Jones before he played at A&M?  Same goes for Shaq at San Antonio Cole
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You bring up shaq like be wasn't 7 foot tall. We talking bout 5'10 guards these days. And now a days level of competition does have something to do with how they are recruited. I don't how they did in the 70s when you played, but these days we would take a 5a player averaging 15 a game before they would take a 3a player averaging 30. Again learn my background before you say what I can't do. I wonder why kenyon had to go walk on at Lamar. He was the star at HJ but I wonder what his schedule was like. Jones was huge, shaq huge. Come on be reasonable

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[quote name="LAZEEK" post="1360445" timestamp="1357093159"]
My question is with Central and Silsbee playing such tough schedules over the last 6 years is how many D1 offers have they received?
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That had nothing to do with basketball but a lot with grades

[aTmfan06]

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1360448" timestamp="1357093338"]
[quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=107769.msg1360445#msg1360445 date=1357093159]
My question is with Central and Silsbee playing such tough schedules over the last 6 years is how many D1 offers have they received?
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Why is Silsbee getting dragged into this?

Who said their schedule over the last 6 years was real tough?
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BATTLE ROYAL!!!

[stevenash]

[quote name="freeze 1914" post="1360453" timestamp="1357093601"]
[quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=107769.msg1360445#msg1360445 date=1357093159]
My question is with Central and Silsbee playing such tough schedules over the last 6 years is how many D1 offers have they received?
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That had nothing to do with basketball but a lot with grades
[/quote]      That is not the whole story.  Your old school inquired about him at the beginning of the year and never asked again as per the words of his head coach.  Even if your version is correct, that hardly makes an overwhelming case for Silsbee.  Both schools have had very similar results/performances in recent years and yet, the perception is that Silsbee plays a very difficult schedule and HJ plays a patsy schedule. If that is correct, how many more D-1 players did Silsbee produce and how many more regional or state titles did Silsbee produce?  This is not intended as a knock on Silsbee but rather to show that there is more than one way to "skin a cat"and you simply can't PROVE otherwise.

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[quote name="Stevenash" post="1360461" timestamp="1357095081"]
[quote author=freeze 1914 link=topic=107769.msg1360453#msg1360453 date=1357093601]
[quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=107769.msg1360445#msg1360445 date=1357093159]
My question is with Central and Silsbee playing such tough schedules over the last 6 years is how many D1 offers have they received?
[/quote]

That had nothing to do with basketball but a lot with grades
[/quote]      That is not the whole story.  Your old school inquired about him at the beginning of the year and never asked again as per the words of his head coach.  Even if your version is correct, that hardly makes an overwhelming case for Silsbee.  Both schools have had very similar results/performances in recent years and yet, the perception is that Silsbee plays a very difficult schedule and HJ plays a patsy schedule. If that is correct, how many more D-1 players did Silsbee produce and how many more regional or state titles did Silsbee produce?  This is not intended as a knock on Silsbee but rather to show that there is more than one way to "skin a cat"and you simply can't PROVE otherwise.
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I was speaking of Central. I don't know about Silsbee

[stevenash]

Of course, you know all about Silsbee. (and yet you claim to know specifics about a Silsbee player who graduated in 2011) You are a seasoned, highly connected basketball coach who can out recruit anybody.  No need to try that.  If you want to use Central, so be it- I refer you back, then to the Ron Jackson/Kenyon Spears analogy.  How do you compare the schedules of a 3-a school and a 4-a school?  Let me give you a hint, that you really shoudnt need.  HJ had no idea that the ozen JV would be in the tourney.  They also had no idea that the Ozen JV would be in their same bracket.  They also had no idea that three teams would withdraw from the tourney at the last minute.  So to suggest what you have suggested, once again, makes you look less than credible.  And one more thing,- I guess Clemson forgot today what a superior schedule is played by LSU