What's up with Nederland!?!

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="Coach85" post="1366408" timestamp="1359047692"]
If there are kids that have transferred from PAM to Nederland they do not have to be recruited. There is an area around the Central Mall/Stone Gate area that is zoned to where a family can opt to choose to go to either PAM or Ned. If these kids did leave PAM to go to Ned maybe because they weren't getting enough playing time at PAM then if they live in this certain zone then nothing is wrong with it. Why do you think PAISD was so adamant about building the high school where they built it.....To try and attract more of those kids from that area?
[/quote]
Good guess, but I can tell you thats NOT why the school is there.  They are wanting the West Side of Port Arthur to die, make the younger families move toward the mall area, re-build the West Side and downtown PA, so that the Lamar State area and Pleasure Island become more "attractive areas" again, if you know what I mean...But thats for another topic for another day.... ;)

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1366455" timestamp="1359057751"]
[quote author=Coach85 link=topic=108406.msg1366408#msg1366408 date=1359047692]
If there are kids that have transferred from PAM to Nederland they do not have to be recruited. There is an area around the Central Mall/Stone Gate area that is zoned to where a family can opt to choose to go to either PAM or Ned. If these kids did leave PAM to go to Ned maybe because they weren't getting enough playing time at PAM then if they live in this certain zone then nothing is wrong with it. Why do you think PAISD was so adamant about building the high school where they built it.....To try and attract more of those kids from that area?
[/quote]
Good guess, but I can tell you thats NOT why the school is there.  They are wanting the West Side of Port Arthur to die, make the younger families move toward the mall area, re-build the West Side and downtown PA, so that the Lamar State area and Pleasure Island become more "attractive areas" again, if you know what I mean...But thats for another topic for another day.... ;)
[/quote] ;)

[stevenash]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1366455" timestamp="1359057751"]
[quote author=Coach85 link=topic=108406.msg1366408#msg1366408 date=1359047692]
If there are kids that have transferred from PAM to Nederland they do not have to be recruited. There is an area around the Central Mall/Stone Gate area that is zoned to where a family can opt to choose to go to either PAM or Ned. If these kids did leave PAM to go to Ned maybe because they weren't getting enough playing time at PAM then if they live in this certain zone then nothing is wrong with it. Why do you think PAISD was so adamant about building the high school where they built it.....To try and attract more of those kids from that area?
[/quote]
Good guess, but I can tell you thats NOT why the school is there.  They are wanting the West Side of Port Arthur to die, make the younger families move toward the mall area, re-build the West Side and downtown PA, so that the Lamar State area and Pleasure Island become more "attractive areas" again, if you know what I mean...But thats for another topic for another day.... ;)
[/quote]

Dickie- Sounds like you were a member of the city planning committee

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1366455" timestamp="1359057751"]
[quote author=Coach85 link=topic=108406.msg1366408#msg1366408 date=1359047692]
If there are kids that have transferred from PAM to Nederland they do not have to be recruited. There is an area around the Central Mall/Stone Gate area that is zoned to where a family can opt to choose to go to either PAM or Ned. If these kids did leave PAM to go to Ned maybe because they weren't getting enough playing time at PAM then if they live in this certain zone then nothing is wrong with it. Why do you think PAISD was so adamant about building the high school where they built it.....To try and attract more of those kids from that area?
[/quote]
Good guess, but I can tell you thats NOT why the school is there.  They are wanting the West Side of Port Arthur to die, make the younger families move toward the mall area, re-build the West Side and downtown PA, so that the Lamar State area and Pleasure Island become more "attractive areas" again, if you know what I mean...But thats for another topic for another day.... ;)
[/quote]Simply brilliant!!!

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1366463" timestamp="1359058519"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=108406.msg1366455#msg1366455 date=1359057751]
[quote author=Coach85 link=topic=108406.msg1366408#msg1366408 date=1359047692]
If there are kids that have transferred from PAM to Nederland they do not have to be recruited. There is an area around the Central Mall/Stone Gate area that is zoned to where a family can opt to choose to go to either PAM or Ned. If these kids did leave PAM to go to Ned maybe because they weren't getting enough playing time at PAM then if they live in this certain zone then nothing is wrong with it. Why do you think PAISD was so adamant about building the high school where they built it.....To try and attract more of those kids from that area?
[/quote]
Good guess, but I can tell you thats NOT why the school is there.  They are wanting the West Side of Port Arthur to die, make the younger families move toward the mall area, re-build the West Side and downtown PA, so that the Lamar State area and Pleasure Island become more "attractive areas" again, if you know what I mean...But thats for another topic for another day.... ;)
[/quote]

Dickie- Sounds like you were a member of the city planning committee
[/quote]probably studied[color=red] HIS[/color] history more than attended the planning committee

[Dick Vitale]

I am always a basketball coach, however, I pride myself on being a scholar as well! ;D....Dove it has happened so much in Houston, its easy to spot in a place like Port Arthur! Remember a run down area called "The Heights"....Been there lately? Gentrification at it's finest...Once again...another topic for another day! ;)

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1366469" timestamp="1359059113"]
I am always a basketball coach, however, I pride myself on being a scholar as well! ;D....Dove it has happened so much in Houston, its easy to spot in a place like Port Arthur! Remember a run down area called "The Heights"....Been there lately? Gentrification at it's finest...Once again...another topic for another day! ;)
[/quote] I bet you haven't been to your paternal grandmother's neighborhood in awhile? LOL! Took you way back ol'skool on that one. Property taxes sky high, but thats another story  ;)

[BLUEDOVE3]

I wonder if Nederland can get by Livingston this Friday?

[mytwocents-28]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1366505" timestamp="1359064052"]
I wonder if Nederland can get by Livingston this Friday?
[/quote]
They'll win by 13.

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1366509" timestamp="1359064309"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=108406.msg1366505#msg1366505 date=1359064052]
I wonder if Nederland can get by Livingston this Friday?
[/quote]
They'll win by 13.
[/quote]13? Thats it? Whats wrong with Nederland?  ;D

[asary]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1366515" timestamp="1359065318"]
[quote author=mytwocents link=topic=108406.msg1366509#msg1366509 date=1359064309]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=108406.msg1366505#msg1366505 date=1359064052]
I wonder if Nederland can get by Livingston this Friday?
[/quote]
They'll win by 13.
[/quote]13? Thats it? Whats wrong with Nederland?  ;D
[/quote]
;D ;D ;D

[team first]

cant believe dicke compared port arthur to the (run down area )  heights. Shows you why kids prefer ned, over pa

[BLUEDOVE3]

Getting hazy. Hard to make out the words. The sands of time washing away those glory years.
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Bi-District Champs 2010-2012
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Regional Quarter Finalist 2010-2012
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[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="team first" post="1366588" timestamp="1359085240"]
cant believe dicke compared port arthur to the (run down area )  heights. Shows you why kids prefer ned, over pa
[/quote]
Apparently you have no clue what The Heights USED to look like...Please note: I AM FROM HOUSTON... ;)

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1366644" timestamp="1359125466"]
Getting hazy. Hard to make out the words. The sands of time washing away those glory years.
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20-4A District Champs 2010-2012
Bi-District Champs 2010-2012
Area Champs 2010-2012
Regional Quarter Finalist 2010-2012
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[/quote] smh  ;D

[Honest Abe]

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1366798" timestamp="1359153958"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=108406.msg1366644#msg1366644 date=1359125466]
Getting hazy. Hard to make out the words. The sands of time washing away those glory years.
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20-4A District Champs 2010-2012
Bi-District Champs 2010-2012
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Regional Quarter Finalist 2010-2012
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[/quote] smh  ;D
[/quote]Last year at this time of the season, Ned had a two game lead over Ozen and Central. The (district) season ended with Ned and Central tied for district. Last I checked, Ned still plays BOTH Central AND Ozen who hold a one game lead over Ned. It ain't over yet!! ;)

[cooligan]

Sorry for the delay. It was necessary for me to go underground in order to avoid the Nederland Homers. They have been on my trail this week and are PO'd. I felt it was safe tonight to respond since they are all out of town. During road games only the old geezer's are left behind and I feel I can slip them. Back on topic. What's up with Nederland?

Actually, you only need to look at the team and their athletic ability, or lack there of, as compared to that of Ozen and Central players. It is easy to see overall we don't match up. With that being said, Coach English has done a MASTERFUL job with the talent level. He has got the community involved and has his specialists playing around the clock. Coach knows this is a must with the slower less athletic player. The around the clock play along with his coaching is what keeps us at least competitive this year.

It would also help if our boy's were not so soft and would play to their strengths. These are all great kids, but as their parents will tell you, they are lovers not fighters. Unfortunately, BB has changed to a much more physical game and some nights those lovers just can't match up. Also, it is true we have one of the best high-jumpers in the state. However, with a team that has a rebound problem, against the good teams, you would think the high-jumper would average more than 1-2 RBs a night. Of course, if you don't like hard contact you're not going to pound the boards. It is what it is.

I believe the real reason this team is presently 3rd in district and has already lost the home court advantage to Ozen abd Central is because the better multisport athletes are no longer staying with the program. This trend has been going on for the last 3-4 years and it has fianlly caught up with the program -- ala 3rd place. I will refer to this subject as part 2 and it is where I think Coach has room for improvement. Stay tuned 

[NHS83LU87]

Just to clarify what qualifies as better multisport athletes?  I don't recall there ever being a lot of multisport athletes involved with Nederland basketball ever.  If it involves football, Nederland only had Forney that played football during Coach E.'s 3rd-6th years at Nederland and no one the first 2 years.  Chris Cunningham decided to play football his senior year so he was a basketball player who went and benefitted football and then came back to basketball.  He had Jordan, Josh Dean, and Jacob Pitts that played basketball and baseball during his first five years at Nederland.  Prior to Coach E. there were no multisport athletes playing basketball.  That issue is irrelevant and isn't indicative of Coach E but maybe how many athletes are discouraged by other coaches/parents not to play basketball due to it's conflict with the sport(s) they are most concerned with....I do agree Coach E's teams are more finesse and need to be more physical but that is a difference of philosophies.  It's unfortunate but typical for Nederland football loyalist to put down the athleticism of non-football playing athletes.  The truth is several players were repeatedly asked to play football which would indicate they were and are good athletes not lesser athlete because they choose to focus on one or two non-football sports.  I could be wrong but only 5 multisport athletes out of 7 seasons doesn't sound like a lot to me.

This year I think Ozen and Central are better talent wise but Nederland still has the better coach with enough talent to win if they execute on any night.  I felt it would be a three way race and have not been disappointed.  Nederland can still finish anywhere from first to third and should be proud wherever they place in the top 3.  Now days, with 4 teams making the playoffs, it is not about winning district but making the playoffs and going as deep as possible.  I learned that from Nederland football;)

[Honest Abe]

[quote name="NHS83LU87" post="1366952" timestamp="1359166981"]
Just to clarify what qualifies as better multisport athletes?  I don't recall there ever being a lot of multisport athletes involved with Nederland basketball ever.  If it involves football, Nederland only had Forney that played football during Coach E.'s 3rd-6th years at Nederland and no one the first 2 years.  Chris Cunningham decided to play football his senior year so he was a basketball player who went and benefitted football and then came back to basketball.  He had Jordan, Josh Dean, and Jacob Pitts that played basketball and baseball during his first five years at Nederland.  Prior to Coach E. there were no multisport athletes playing basketball.  That issue is irrelevant and isn't indicative of Coach E but maybe how many athletes are discouraged by other coaches/parents not to play basketball due to it's conflict with the sport(s) they are most concerned with....I do agree Coach E's teams are more finesse and need to be more physical but that is a difference of philosophies.  It's unfortunate but typical for Nederland football loyalist to put down the athleticism of non-football playing athletes.  The truth is several players were repeatedly asked to play football which would indicate they were and are good athletes not lesser athlete because they choose to focus on one or two non-football sports.  I could be wrong but only 5 multisport athletes out of 7 seasons doesn't sound like a lot to me.

This year I think Ozen and Central are better talent wise but Nederland still has the better coach with enough talent to win if they execute on any night.  I felt it would be a three way race and have not been disappointed.  Nederland can still finish anywhere from first to third and should be proud wherever they place in the top 3.  Now days, with 4 teams making the playoffs, it is not about winning district but making the playoffs and going as deep as possible.  I learned that from Nederland football;)
[/quote][quote author=NHS83LU87 link=topic=108406.msg1366952#msg1366952 date=1359166981]
Just to clarify what qualifies as better multisport athletes?  I don't recall there ever being a lot of multisport athletes involved with Nederland basketball ever.  If it involves football, Nederland only had Forney that played football during Coach E.'s 3rd-6th years at Nederland and no one the first 2 years.  Chris Cunningham decided to play football his senior year so he was a basketball player who went and benefitted football and then came back to basketball.  He had Jordan, Josh Dean, and Jacob Pitts that played basketball and baseball during his first five years at Nederland.  Prior to Coach E. there were no multisport athletes playing basketball.  That issue is irrelevant and isn't indicative of Coach E but maybe how many athletes are discouraged by other coaches/parents not to play basketball due to it's conflict with the sport(s) they are most concerned with....I do agree Coach E's teams are more finesse and need to be more physical but that is a difference of philosophies.  It's unfortunate but typical for Nederland football loyalist to put down the athleticism of non-football playing athletes.  The truth is several players were repeatedly asked to play football which would indicate they were and are good athletes not lesser athlete because they choose to focus on one or two non-football sports.  I could be wrong but only 5 multisport athletes out of 7 seasons doesn't sound like a lot to me.

This year I think Ozen and Central are better talent wise but Nederland still has the better coach with enough talent to win if they execute on any night.  I felt it would be a three way race and have not been disappointed.  Nederland can still finish anywhere from first to third and should be proud wherever they place in the top 3.  Now days, with 4 teams making the playoffs, it is not about winning district but making the playoffs and going as deep as possible.  I learned that from Nederland football;)
[/quote]Great Points! It's unheard of these days being a 'star' on football and being 'the man' on the basketball court while your team is winning district banners and playoff games. 20 years ago, kids didn't play a single sport year round like they do today. So if basketball is a kid's 2nd sport, he must work extra if he wants to be the man or start. Three years ago, Forney was the district's MVP in basketball as a JR. He was also a FB player. By the time his senior year rolled around, he was the 2nd best player on the bball team bc other kids (Kelvin Smith) played year around basketball and passed him up. Forney was still a great player, but he got passed up by Smith who was able to focus 100% of his time on basketball.

Other than Doty (from PNG), I don't know of many kids who can be 'the man' at both sports. PNG finished fourth during Doty's senior year, but think how good they COULD have been had he dedicated all his time to basketball. They likely would NOT have been the 4th Pl team that year, and one and done in the playoffs. Other than that year, PNG has not been to the playoffs in basketball in 15 years or so.
8, 10, 15 years ago, the Ned basketball program was the same way; at the bottom of the district standings. I'm sure there were kids who starred on the football field AND was either the star or was a starter on the hardwood during that time. However, those team's finished district at 2-10, 4-8, 0-12, etc. If a kid plays FB and wants to be a key player in Bball, he has to put in the time and shoot, dribble, etc outside of the bball season. If they don't have the time or dedication to do so, then they cannot expect to be anything more than a role player. Some kids accept that, others cannot. I'm sure it would be difficult to be a star on the FB team, then come off the bench in bball. I'm glad Kimler has stuck with the bball program. He contributes when asked, and I think he is a great asset on the team.

Obviously, the Nederland bball program has higher expectations than from years past. The talent level is no different, but many kids are dedicated to the program, and that's a reason the program is now EXPECTED to win. Weisbrod could easily play football and baseball and be very good at all three sports. However, I don't think he would be anywhere near as good in basketball had he chose to play all 3. He would still be a starter, but not nearly as dominating. That is a choice he made.

Call us 'Homers' if you want, but when a program has only made one playoff appearance since 1955, and now is going every year AND winning district titles AND going 3/4 games deep in the playoffs, you can label us anything you want. I can remember losing to Beaumont and PA schools every year by 30,40,50 points. Nowadays days, when we lose to those teams by 5 or 10 points, Nederland suddenly 'has a problem'... ::)

[BLUEDOVE3]

Go Nederland  ;D

[Honest Abe]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1367161" timestamp="1359218942"]
Go Nederland  ;D
[/quote]So glad you are a fan of the program, we appreciate your support! ;) ;D

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1367168" timestamp="1359220660"]
[quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=108406.msg1367161#msg1367161 date=1359218942]
Go Nederland  ;D
[/quote]So glad you are a fan of the program, we appreciate your support! ;) ;D
[/quote] Give a program a few props and they carry it to a whole nother  level.

nother= Ebonics to the disenfranchised  ;)

[BMTSoulja1]

[quote name="Honest Abe" post="1367160" timestamp="1359218452"]
[quote author=NHS83LU87 link=topic=108406.msg1366952#msg1366952 date=1359166981]
Just to clarify what qualifies as better multisport athletes?  I don't recall there ever being a lot of multisport athletes involved with Nederland basketball ever.  If it involves football, Nederland only had Forney that played football during Coach E.'s 3rd-6th years at Nederland and no one the first 2 years.  Chris Cunningham decided to play football his senior year so he was a basketball player who went and benefitted football and then came back to basketball.  He had Jordan, Josh Dean, and Jacob Pitts that played basketball and baseball during his first five years at Nederland.  Prior to Coach E. there were no multisport athletes playing basketball.  That issue is irrelevant and isn't indicative of Coach E but maybe how many athletes are discouraged by other coaches/parents not to play basketball due to it's conflict with the sport(s) they are most concerned with....I do agree Coach E's teams are more finesse and need to be more physical but that is a difference of philosophies.  It's unfortunate but typical for Nederland football loyalist to put down the athleticism of non-football playing athletes.  The truth is several players were repeatedly asked to play football which would indicate they were and are good athletes not lesser athlete because they choose to focus on one or two non-football sports.  I could be wrong but only 5 multisport athletes out of 7 seasons doesn't sound like a lot to me.

This year I think Ozen and Central are better talent wise but Nederland still has the better coach with enough talent to win if they execute on any night.  I felt it would be a three way race and have not been disappointed.  Nederland can still finish anywhere from first to third and should be proud wherever they place in the top 3.  Now days, with 4 teams making the playoffs, it is not about winning district but making the playoffs and going as deep as possible.  I learned that from Nederland football;)
[/quote][quote author=NHS83LU87 link=topic=108406.msg1366952#msg1366952 date=1359166981]
Just to clarify what qualifies as better multisport athletes?  I don't recall there ever being a lot of multisport athletes involved with Nederland basketball ever.  If it involves football, Nederland only had Forney that played football during Coach E.'s 3rd-6th years at Nederland and no one the first 2 years.  Chris Cunningham decided to play football his senior year so he was a basketball player who went and benefitted football and then came back to basketball.  He had Jordan, Josh Dean, and Jacob Pitts that played basketball and baseball during his first five years at Nederland.  Prior to Coach E. there were no multisport athletes playing basketball.  That issue is irrelevant and isn't indicative of Coach E but maybe how many athletes are discouraged by other coaches/parents not to play basketball due to it's conflict with the sport(s) they are most concerned with....I do agree Coach E's teams are more finesse and need to be more physical but that is a difference of philosophies.  It's unfortunate but typical for Nederland football loyalist to put down the athleticism of non-football playing athletes.  The truth is several players were repeatedly asked to play football which would indicate they were and are good athletes not lesser athlete because they choose to focus on one or two non-football sports.  I could be wrong but only 5 multisport athletes out of 7 seasons doesn't sound like a lot to me.

This year I think Ozen and Central are better talent wise but Nederland still has the better coach with enough talent to win if they execute on any night.  I felt it would be a three way race and have not been disappointed.  Nederland can still finish anywhere from first to third and should be proud wherever they place in the top 3.  Now days, with 4 teams making the playoffs, it is not about winning district but making the playoffs and going as deep as possible.  I learned that from Nederland football;)
[/quote]Great Points! It's unheard of these days being a 'star' on football and being 'the man' on the basketball court while your team is winning district banners and playoff games. 20 years ago, kids didn't play a single sport year round like they do today. So if basketball is a kid's 2nd sport, he must work extra if he wants to be the man or start. Three years ago, Forney was the district's MVP in basketball as a JR. He was also a FB player. By the time his senior year rolled around, he was the 2nd best player on the bball team bc other kids (Kelvin Smith) played year around basketball and passed him up. Forney was still a great player, but he got passed up by Smith who was able to focus 100% of his time on basketball.

Other than Doty (from PNG), I don't know of many kids who can be 'the man' at both sports. PNG finished fourth during Doty's senior year, but think how good they COULD have been had he dedicated all his time to basketball. They likely would NOT have been the 4th Pl team that year, and one and done in the playoffs. Other than that year, PNG has not been to the playoffs in basketball in 15 years or so.
8, 10, 15 years ago, the Ned basketball program was the same way; at the bottom of the district standings. I'm sure there were kids who starred on the football field AND was either the star or was a starter on the hardwood during that time. However, those team's finished district at 2-10, 4-8, 0-12, etc. If a kid plays FB and wants to be a key player in Bball, he has to put in the time and shoot, dribble, etc outside of the bball season. If they don't have the time or dedication to do so, then they cannot expect to be anything more than a role player. Some kids accept that, others cannot. I'm sure it would be difficult to be a star on the FB team, then come off the bench in bball. I'm glad Kimler has stuck with the bball program. He contributes when asked, and I think he is a great asset on the team.

Obviously, the Nederland bball program has higher expectations than from years past. The talent level is no different, but many kids are dedicated to the program, and that's a reason the program is now EXPECTED to win. Weisbrod could easily play football and baseball and be very good at all three sports. However, I don't think he would be anywhere near as good in basketball had he chose to play all 3. He would still be a starter, but not nearly as dominating. That is a choice he made.

Call us 'Homers' if you want, but when a program has only made one playoff appearance since 1955, and now is going every year AND winning district titles AND going 3/4 games deep in the playoffs, you can label us anything you want. I can remember losing to Beaumont and PA schools every year by 30,40,50 points. Nowadays days, when we lose to those teams by 5 or 10 points, Nederland suddenly 'has a problem'... ::)
[/quote] David Green III was the star football player on both '10 and '11 teams and was 'the man' on those same basketball teams at Ozen...

[AggiesAreWe]

Silsbee's top two scores in Chris Elam and Jordan Holmes were football stars on the field. Also Silsbee All-State QB Patrick Reed is 3rd leading scorer and leading rebounder for Silsbee.

[Honest Abe]

Those kids you mentioned are 'pure athletes'. We are talking about kids in Nederland. Apples n oranges AAW.

And I think there is a difference when it's a bigger school. I'm sure it happens in the 1A, 2A, & 3A ranks more frequently than 4A, and especially 5A.