Done With Lamar Football

[raiderblue]

I have a problem with Lamar Football. We have great home grown talent and can't get these yo yo's to sign them. We have several good players in the area but can not get them signed by Lamar. I am sick and tired of the shady, poor character d1 dismissals that these guys sign. They were brought in to build a program, not sign a bunch of JC problem children. Mr. Quriante and Mr. Stampley deserve shots, both are Willie Ray Smith Award Finalists, and Montana is on both sides of the ball. We dropped this program to begin with because they would not recruit local talent, I for one am not renewing my tickets because of this again. Mr Lamar President, either fix it, get ride of the football staff, or I along with several other people will non renew my tickets.. Hell at least you got McMurry and Panhandle tech on the schedule, you should be able to beat them....May want to schedule UTMB...think they are undefeated.

[cornhusker]

Thats a good observation. These two young men are players.

[BLUEDOVE3]

I have a question and I'm not trying to favor any side on this one: Are there other D-1 schools after the local talent? Your high school talent does not always flow with what college coaches are looking for. And if they do sign a local talent, does this mean the attendance will go up?

[12gage]

i agree with raider attendence cant be much worst, i went to the last few games last year. and getting thug rejects from other programs and jc's does not seem to help, if you are going to play texas college you could win with west brook or ozen talent ,  and other schools in the area, so why not go local? but it is same with most of lamar sports , not out of area or state but out of country.....which makes no sense

[Guest EagleFan01]

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1366336" timestamp="1359035478"]
I have a question and I'm not trying to favor any side on this one: Are there other D-1 schools after the local talent? Your high school talent does not always flow with what college coaches are looking for. And if they do sign a local talent, does this mean the attendance will go up?
[/quote]

I agree with you. Maybe the kids are not what Lamar is looking for. These two kids may be good in this area but if Lamar has a chance to sign a kid out of dallas or houston who is better than they will sign out of area. Its a whole big country out there and there are better players to choose from than Montana or Stampley. Its not going to make me not watch Lamar local kids or not im going to support my local team.

[Ty Cobb]

Wow, I can't believe what I'm reading.  Do you guys really think that Lamar should sign players just because they live and played high school football in SE Texas?  I promise you everyone that plays in SE Texas is NOT college football material.  There are some very good players that come from this area but that doesn't mean they are good enough to play college football, or maybe they are good enough to play college ball but they don't fit Lamar's scheme.
Raiderblue, you said the following, "We have great home grown talent and can't get these yo yo's to sign them."  Are you joking?  Here's Lamar's 2012 roster.  Let's see how many players they have from SE Texas.


Lamar Cardinals Roster - 2012
2012 Lamar Cardinals
NO NAME POS HT WT CLASS HOMETOWN
0 Jacory Augustine DB 6-3 190 FR LAKE CHARLES, LA
0 Colby Carpenter DB 6-0 180 SO [b]BRIDGE CITY, TX[/b]
0 David Dunkin QB 5-11 190 FR AUSTIN, TX
1 Nashon Davis DB 6-3 205 JR KATY, TX
2 Blake Chavis LB 6-5 235 SR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
3 Barry Ford WR 6-1 175 JR HOUSTON, TX
4 Tyrus McGlothen DB 5-8 175 JR GRAND PRAIRIE, TX
5 Marcus Malbrough LB 6-5 245 SR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
5 Ryan Mossakowski QB 6-4 215 JR FRISCO, TX
6 Jordan Garrett DB 6-1 200 SR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
7 Steven Murray-Sesay DB 5-9 170 SR FORT WASHINGTON, MD
8 Mike Venson RB 5-9 160 JR KATY, TX
9 Mike Hargis LB 6-3 225 FR AUSTIN, TX
10 Jermaine Longino LB 5-10 220 JR HOUSTON, TX
11 Kevin Johnson WR 6-0 210 SO HOUSTON, TX
12 Caleb Berry QB 6-2 195 SO NEEDVILLE, TX
13 Kye Hildreth WR 6-1 175 JR NAVASOTA, TX
14 DePauldrick Garrett RB 5-8 190 JR [b]ORANGE, TX[/b]
15 Oluwajimi Oyefeso WR 6-3 215 JR PASADENA, TX
17 Dillon Barrett QB 6-3 220 FR DRY PRONG, LA
18 Davion Wolford WR 5-11 170 SO STAFFORD, TX
19 Matt Bergeron QB 5-11 180 FR MANDEVILLE, LA
19 Keinon Peterson DB 5-8 190 JR DICKINSON, TX
20 Michael Handy WR 5-11 185 FR CONROE, TX
21 Branden Thomas DB 5-9 170 JR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
23 Payton Ploch WR 6-2 215 JR [b]DAYTON, TX[/b]
24 Jacob Hanna TE 6-0 220 JR [b]LUMBERTON, TX[/b]
25 Gratian Gladney WR 5-9 165 FR HOUSTON, TX
25 Kollin Kahler P 6-2 200 JR WACO, TX
26 Chad Allen DB 5-11 190 JR [b]COLDSPRING, TX[/b]
27 Caleb Harmon RB 5-9 200 JR [b]PORT NECHES, TX[/b]
28 Herschel Sims RB 5-8 215 SO ABILENE, TX
29 Adrian Guillory DB 5-10 160 SR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
30 Darrell Harris RB 5-11 185 FR WACO, TX
30 George Orebe DB 5-9 165 SO HOUSTON, TX
31 Juventino Sanchez K 6-0 205 SR BLOOMING GROVE, TX
32 Anthony Beard LB 6-1 235 SO [b]LUMBERTON, TX[/b]
33 Desmond Richards RB 5-9 170 FR MONTGOMERY, TX
34 Josh Wilson DB 5-7 185 SO [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
35 Joe Okafor DL 6-6 295 SO BELLAIRE, TX
36 Stephone Mercer DB 5-9 170 SR AUSTIN, TX
37 Courtlin Thompson DB 6-1 210 JR LANCASTER, CA
38 Garrett Drake WR 6-2 185 FR [b]SILSBEE, TX[/b]
39 Justin Stout K 6-1 170 JR MESQUITE, TX
40 Xavier Bethany DB 6-1 180 FR BURTON, TX
41 Jestin White LB 6-4 190 SO HOUSTON, TX
42 Joseph Viator LB 5-9 190 SR [b]ORANGE, TX[/b]
43 Chris Maikranz LS 6-6 255 JR SUGAR LAND, TX
44 Ronnie Jones Jr. LB 5-10 240 FR HEMPSTEAD, TX
45 Joshua James LB 5-10 190 SO [b]SILSBEE, TX[/b]
46 Alex Ball K 6-3 240 FR WESTLAKE VILLAGE, CA
47 P.J. Henderson TE 6-3 220 JR AUSTIN, TX
48 Lawson Hartwick LS 5-11 255 SO FORNEY, TX
49 William Jones LB 5-10 225 JR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
50 Sean Robertson OL 6-1 270 SR COPPERAS COVE, TX
52 Joe Persohn OL 6-4 225 FR [b]SOUR LAKE, TX[/b]
53 David Hollyfield DL 6-3 225 FR [b]SILSBEE, TX[/b]
54 James Washington LB 5-11 225 JR HOUSTON, TX
55 Luke Campbell OL 6-4 270 FR RUSK, TX
56 Kameron Edwards OL 6-2 275 SR SACRAMENTO, CA
56 John Prescott DL 6-0 300 SR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
57 Jeremy Kirt DL 6-1 265 JR HOUSTON, TX
58 Bret Treadway OL 6-3 250 FR [b]SILSBEE, T[/b]X
61 Colton Collins OL 6-3 275 SR AUSTIN, TX
62 Garrett Baxley OL 6-6 235 FR KINGWOOD, TX
64 Kyle Gillam OL 6-1 270 JR [b]LUMBERTON, TX[/b]
65 Ryan Jones OL 6-4 275 SR [b]KIRBYVILLE, TX[/b]
66 Marshall Fairchild OL 6-4 290 JR GONZALES, TX
67 Ian Kelso OL 6-0 280 JR AUSTIN, TX
70 Stephen Babin OL 6-4 315 JR BELLVILLE, TX
71 Patrick Carlton OL 6-3 275 SR [b]BRIDGE CITY, TX[/b]
72 Brock Wempa OL 6-2 345 JR ROYSE CITY, TX
73 Scott Utterback OL 6-1 290 SO [b]VIDOR, TX[/b]
75 Taylor Davis OL 6-3 290 JR PLANO, TX
76 Justin Brock OL 6-5 280 FR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
80 Cory Soto TE 6-8 255 JR CARDIFF BY THE SEA, CA
81 Jesse Sparks WR 5-10 170 SO [b]LUMBERTON, TX[/b]
82 Reggie Begelton WR 6-0 190 FR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
83 VanLawrance Franks WR 5-5 135 SR AUSTIN, TX
84 Jayce Nelson WR 6-2 170 FR [b]PORT NECHES, TX[/b]
85 Adren Dorsey DL 6-3 275 SR TYLER, TX
86 Jordan Edwards WR 5-11 180 JR HOUSTON, TX
87 Zach Sonnier WR 6-1 185 FR [b]ORANGE, TX[/b]
88 Payden McVey TE 6-1 225 SO DEER PARK, TX
89 Kelechi Ejekam WR 6-3 190 FR HOUSTON, TX
90 Mark Murrill DL 6-2 255 JR [b]LUMBERTON, TX[/b]
91 Logan Moss DL 6-4 210 FR [b]ORANGEFIELD, TX[/b]
92 Eric Arnold DL 5-11 250 SO [b]ORANGE, TX[/b]
93 Jesse Dickson DE 6-3 265 JR HOUSTON, TX
98 Marcus Washington DL 6-3 295 SO HOUSTON, TX
99 Corbin Carr DL 6-3 245 FR [b]NEDERLAND, TX[/b]


Lamar has 91 players listed on this roster and 34 of them are from SE Texas.  I'm not great in math but I would say that SE Texas players make up somewhere between 35% and 40% of the roster.

What more do you want?

[Titletown2]

You guys also must consider that just because Lamar recruits theses guys doesn't mean they will sign with Lamar. Other Southland schools also recruits this area. Also, I think Lamar is loaded with local talent. However, you will not win just with local talent. You do have to expand your recruiting base and sign a few JC players. I agree with staying away from FBS school rejects. There's a reason they're not playing at their previous schools. I just don't think Woodard is a very good recruiter.

[BLUEDOVE3]

[quote name="Ty Cobb" post="1366344" timestamp="1359037731"]
Wow, I can't believe what I'm reading.  Do you guys really think that Lamar should sign players just because they live and played high school football in SE Texas?  I promise you everyone that plays in SE Texas is NOT college football material.  There are some very good players that come from this area but that doesn't mean they are good enough to play college football, or maybe they are good enough to play college ball but they don't fit Lamar's scheme.
Raiderblue, you said the following, "We have great home grown talent and can't get these yo yo's to sign them."  Are you joking?  Here's Lamar's 2012 roster.  Let's see how many players they have from SE Texas.


Lamar Cardinals Roster - 2012
2012 Lamar Cardinals
NO NAME POS HT WT CLASS HOMETOWN
0 Jacory Augustine DB 6-3 190 FR LAKE CHARLES, LA
0 Colby Carpenter DB 6-0 180 SO [b]BRIDGE CITY, TX[/b]
0 David Dunkin QB 5-11 190 FR AUSTIN, TX
1 Nashon Davis DB 6-3 205 JR KATY, TX
2 Blake Chavis LB 6-5 235 SR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
3 Barry Ford WR 6-1 175 JR HOUSTON, TX
4 Tyrus McGlothen DB 5-8 175 JR GRAND PRAIRIE, TX
5 Marcus Malbrough LB 6-5 245 SR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
5 Ryan Mossakowski QB 6-4 215 JR FRISCO, TX
6 Jordan Garrett DB 6-1 200 SR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
7 Steven Murray-Sesay DB 5-9 170 SR FORT WASHINGTON, MD
8 Mike Venson RB 5-9 160 JR KATY, TX
9 Mike Hargis LB 6-3 225 FR AUSTIN, TX
10 Jermaine Longino LB 5-10 220 JR HOUSTON, TX
11 Kevin Johnson WR 6-0 210 SO HOUSTON, TX
12 Caleb Berry QB 6-2 195 SO NEEDVILLE, TX
13 Kye Hildreth WR 6-1 175 JR NAVASOTA, TX
14 DePauldrick Garrett RB 5-8 190 JR [b]ORANGE, TX[/b]
15 Oluwajimi Oyefeso WR 6-3 215 JR PASADENA, TX
17 Dillon Barrett QB 6-3 220 FR DRY PRONG, LA
18 Davion Wolford WR 5-11 170 SO STAFFORD, TX
19 Matt Bergeron QB 5-11 180 FR MANDEVILLE, LA
19 Keinon Peterson DB 5-8 190 JR DICKINSON, TX
20 Michael Handy WR 5-11 185 FR CONROE, TX
21 Branden Thomas DB 5-9 170 JR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
23 Payton Ploch WR 6-2 215 JR [b]DAYTON, TX[/b]
24 Jacob Hanna TE 6-0 220 JR [b]LUMBERTON, TX[/b]
25 Gratian Gladney WR 5-9 165 FR HOUSTON, TX
25 Kollin Kahler P 6-2 200 JR WACO, TX
26 Chad Allen DB 5-11 190 JR [b]COLDSPRING, TX[/b]
27 Caleb Harmon RB 5-9 200 JR [b]PORT NECHES, TX[/b]
28 Herschel Sims RB 5-8 215 SO ABILENE, TX
29 Adrian Guillory DB 5-10 160 SR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
30 Darrell Harris RB 5-11 185 FR WACO, TX
30 George Orebe DB 5-9 165 SO HOUSTON, TX
31 Juventino Sanchez K 6-0 205 SR BLOOMING GROVE, TX
32 Anthony Beard LB 6-1 235 SO [b]LUMBERTON, TX[/b]
33 Desmond Richards RB 5-9 170 FR MONTGOMERY, TX
34 Josh Wilson DB 5-7 185 SO [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
35 Joe Okafor DL 6-6 295 SO BELLAIRE, TX
36 Stephone Mercer DB 5-9 170 SR AUSTIN, TX
37 Courtlin Thompson DB 6-1 210 JR LANCASTER, CA
38 Garrett Drake WR 6-2 185 FR [b]SILSBEE, TX[/b]
39 Justin Stout K 6-1 170 JR MESQUITE, TX
40 Xavier Bethany DB 6-1 180 FR BURTON, TX
41 Jestin White LB 6-4 190 SO HOUSTON, TX
42 Joseph Viator LB 5-9 190 SR [b]ORANGE, TX[/b]
43 Chris Maikranz LS 6-6 255 JR SUGAR LAND, TX
44 Ronnie Jones Jr. LB 5-10 240 FR HEMPSTEAD, TX
45 Joshua James LB 5-10 190 SO [b]SILSBEE, TX[/b]
46 Alex Ball K 6-3 240 FR WESTLAKE VILLAGE, CA
47 P.J. Henderson TE 6-3 220 JR AUSTIN, TX
48 Lawson Hartwick LS 5-11 255 SO FORNEY, TX
49 William Jones LB 5-10 225 JR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
50 Sean Robertson OL 6-1 270 SR COPPERAS COVE, TX
52 Joe Persohn OL 6-4 225 FR [b]SOUR LAKE, TX[/b]
53 David Hollyfield DL 6-3 225 FR [b]SILSBEE, TX[/b]
54 James Washington LB 5-11 225 JR HOUSTON, TX
55 Luke Campbell OL 6-4 270 FR RUSK, TX
56 Kameron Edwards OL 6-2 275 SR SACRAMENTO, CA
56 John Prescott DL 6-0 300 SR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
57 Jeremy Kirt DL 6-1 265 JR HOUSTON, TX
58 Bret Treadway OL 6-3 250 FR [b]SILSBEE, T[/b]X
61 Colton Collins OL 6-3 275 SR AUSTIN, TX
62 Garrett Baxley OL 6-6 235 FR KINGWOOD, TX
64 Kyle Gillam OL 6-1 270 JR [b]LUMBERTON, TX[/b]
65 Ryan Jones OL 6-4 275 SR [b]KIRBYVILLE, TX[/b]
66 Marshall Fairchild OL 6-4 290 JR GONZALES, TX
67 Ian Kelso OL 6-0 280 JR AUSTIN, TX
70 Stephen Babin OL 6-4 315 JR BELLVILLE, TX
71 Patrick Carlton OL 6-3 275 SR [b]BRIDGE CITY, TX[/b]
72 Brock Wempa OL 6-2 345 JR ROYSE CITY, TX
73 Scott Utterback OL 6-1 290 SO [b]VIDOR, TX[/b]
75 Taylor Davis OL 6-3 290 JR PLANO, TX
76 Justin Brock OL 6-5 280 FR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
80 Cory Soto TE 6-8 255 JR CARDIFF BY THE SEA, CA
81 Jesse Sparks WR 5-10 170 SO [b]LUMBERTON, TX[/b]
82 Reggie Begelton WR 6-0 190 FR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
83 VanLawrance Franks WR 5-5 135 SR AUSTIN, TX
84 Jayce Nelson WR 6-2 170 FR [b]PORT NECHES, TX[/b]
85 Adren Dorsey DL 6-3 275 SR TYLER, TX
86 Jordan Edwards WR 5-11 180 JR HOUSTON, TX
87 Zach Sonnier WR 6-1 185 FR [b]ORANGE, TX[/b]
88 Payden McVey TE 6-1 225 SO DEER PARK, TX
89 Kelechi Ejekam WR 6-3 190 FR HOUSTON, TX
90 Mark Murrill DL 6-2 255 JR [b]LUMBERTON, TX[/b]
91 Logan Moss DL 6-4 210 FR [b]ORANGEFIELD, TX[/b]
92 Eric Arnold DL 5-11 250 SO [b]ORANGE, TX[/b]
93 Jesse Dickson DE 6-3 265 JR HOUSTON, TX
98 Marcus Washington DL 6-3 295 SO HOUSTON, TX
99 Corbin Carr DL 6-3 245 FR [b]NEDERLAND, TX[/b]


Lamar has 91 players listed on this roster and 34 of them are from SE Texas.  I'm not great in math but I would say that SE Texas players make up somewhere between 35% and 40% of the roster.

What more do you want?
[/quote]Ouch! Case closed!!!

[UTgroova]

After looking at Ty's post I'm a little more undecided on this issue now. 30+% out of the area is pretty high, but I'm not sure about the people they have either. Are we sure these area kids on the roster aren't walk-ons, or were they actually recruited? Then I do believe we do have athletes with college here (just maybe not the best college grades), and Lamar isn't really difficult for them to get into. Had you noticed some of Memorial's schemes in the past years, that has college football written all over it. But even though we may not be in favor of who they go after, at least we can agree they can do a whole lot better.

[nikespeed]

[quote name="Ty Cobb" post="1366344" timestamp="1359037731"]
Wow, I can't believe what I'm reading.  Do you guys really think that Lamar should sign players just because they live and played high school football in SE Texas?  I promise you everyone that plays in SE Texas is NOT college football material.  There are some very good players that come from this area but that doesn't mean they are good enough to play college football, or maybe they are good enough to play college ball but they don't fit Lamar's scheme.
Raiderblue, you said the following, "We have great home grown talent and can't get these yo yo's to sign them."  Are you joking?  Here's Lamar's 2012 roster.  Let's see how many players they have from SE Texas.


Lamar Cardinals Roster - 2012
2012 Lamar Cardinals
NO NAME POS HT WT CLASS HOMETOWN
0 Jacory Augustine DB 6-3 190 FR LAKE CHARLES, LA
0 Colby Carpenter DB 6-0 180 SO [b]BRIDGE CITY, TX[/b]
0 David Dunkin QB 5-11 190 FR AUSTIN, TX
1 Nashon Davis DB 6-3 205 JR KATY, TX
2 Blake Chavis LB 6-5 235 SR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
3 Barry Ford WR 6-1 175 JR HOUSTON, TX
4 Tyrus McGlothen DB 5-8 175 JR GRAND PRAIRIE, TX
5 Marcus Malbrough LB 6-5 245 SR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
5 Ryan Mossakowski QB 6-4 215 JR FRISCO, TX
6 Jordan Garrett DB 6-1 200 SR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
7 Steven Murray-Sesay DB 5-9 170 SR FORT WASHINGTON, MD
8 Mike Venson RB 5-9 160 JR KATY, TX
9 Mike Hargis LB 6-3 225 FR AUSTIN, TX
10 Jermaine Longino LB 5-10 220 JR HOUSTON, TX
11 Kevin Johnson WR 6-0 210 SO HOUSTON, TX
12 Caleb Berry QB 6-2 195 SO NEEDVILLE, TX
13 Kye Hildreth WR 6-1 175 JR NAVASOTA, TX
14 DePauldrick Garrett RB 5-8 190 JR [b]ORANGE, TX[/b]
15 Oluwajimi Oyefeso WR 6-3 215 JR PASADENA, TX
17 Dillon Barrett QB 6-3 220 FR DRY PRONG, LA
18 Davion Wolford WR 5-11 170 SO STAFFORD, TX
19 Matt Bergeron QB 5-11 180 FR MANDEVILLE, LA
19 Keinon Peterson DB 5-8 190 JR DICKINSON, TX
20 Michael Handy WR 5-11 185 FR CONROE, TX
21 Branden Thomas DB 5-9 170 JR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
23 Payton Ploch WR 6-2 215 JR [b]DAYTON, TX[/b]
24 Jacob Hanna TE 6-0 220 JR [b]LUMBERTON, TX[/b]
25 Gratian Gladney WR 5-9 165 FR HOUSTON, TX
25 Kollin Kahler P 6-2 200 JR WACO, TX
26 Chad Allen DB 5-11 190 JR [b]COLDSPRING, TX[/b]
27 Caleb Harmon RB 5-9 200 JR [b]PORT NECHES, TX[/b]
28 Herschel Sims RB 5-8 215 SO ABILENE, TX
29 Adrian Guillory DB 5-10 160 SR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
30 Darrell Harris RB 5-11 185 FR WACO, TX
30 George Orebe DB 5-9 165 SO HOUSTON, TX
31 Juventino Sanchez K 6-0 205 SR BLOOMING GROVE, TX
32 Anthony Beard LB 6-1 235 SO [b]LUMBERTON, TX[/b]
33 Desmond Richards RB 5-9 170 FR MONTGOMERY, TX
34 Josh Wilson DB 5-7 185 SO [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
35 Joe Okafor DL 6-6 295 SO BELLAIRE, TX
36 Stephone Mercer DB 5-9 170 SR AUSTIN, TX
37 Courtlin Thompson DB 6-1 210 JR LANCASTER, CA
38 Garrett Drake WR 6-2 185 FR [b]SILSBEE, TX[/b]
39 Justin Stout K 6-1 170 JR MESQUITE, TX
40 Xavier Bethany DB 6-1 180 FR BURTON, TX
41 Jestin White LB 6-4 190 SO HOUSTON, TX
42 Joseph Viator LB 5-9 190 SR [b]ORANGE, TX[/b]
43 Chris Maikranz LS 6-6 255 JR SUGAR LAND, TX
44 Ronnie Jones Jr. LB 5-10 240 FR HEMPSTEAD, TX
45 Joshua James LB 5-10 190 SO [b]SILSBEE, TX[/b]
46 Alex Ball K 6-3 240 FR WESTLAKE VILLAGE, CA
47 P.J. Henderson TE 6-3 220 JR AUSTIN, TX
48 Lawson Hartwick LS 5-11 255 SO FORNEY, TX
49 William Jones LB 5-10 225 JR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
50 Sean Robertson OL 6-1 270 SR COPPERAS COVE, TX
52 Joe Persohn OL 6-4 225 FR [b]SOUR LAKE, TX[/b]
53 David Hollyfield DL 6-3 225 FR [b]SILSBEE, TX[/b]
54 James Washington LB 5-11 225 JR HOUSTON, TX
55 Luke Campbell OL 6-4 270 FR RUSK, TX
56 Kameron Edwards OL 6-2 275 SR SACRAMENTO, CA
56 John Prescott DL 6-0 300 SR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
57 Jeremy Kirt DL 6-1 265 JR HOUSTON, TX
58 Bret Treadway OL 6-3 250 FR [b]SILSBEE, T[/b]X
61 Colton Collins OL 6-3 275 SR AUSTIN, TX
62 Garrett Baxley OL 6-6 235 FR KINGWOOD, TX
64 Kyle Gillam OL 6-1 270 JR [b]LUMBERTON, TX[/b]
65 Ryan Jones OL 6-4 275 SR [b]KIRBYVILLE, TX[/b]
66 Marshall Fairchild OL 6-4 290 JR GONZALES, TX
67 Ian Kelso OL 6-0 280 JR AUSTIN, TX
70 Stephen Babin OL 6-4 315 JR BELLVILLE, TX
71 Patrick Carlton OL 6-3 275 SR [b]BRIDGE CITY, TX[/b]
72 Brock Wempa OL 6-2 345 JR ROYSE CITY, TX
73 Scott Utterback OL 6-1 290 SO [b]VIDOR, TX[/b]
75 Taylor Davis OL 6-3 290 JR PLANO, TX
76 Justin Brock OL 6-5 280 FR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
80 Cory Soto TE 6-8 255 JR CARDIFF BY THE SEA, CA
81 Jesse Sparks WR 5-10 170 SO [b]LUMBERTON, TX[/b]
82 Reggie Begelton WR 6-0 190 FR [b]BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
83 VanLawrance Franks WR 5-5 135 SR AUSTIN, TX
84 Jayce Nelson WR 6-2 170 FR [b]PORT NECHES, TX[/b]
85 Adren Dorsey DL 6-3 275 SR TYLER, TX
86 Jordan Edwards WR 5-11 180 JR HOUSTON, TX
87 Zach Sonnier WR 6-1 185 FR [b]ORANGE, TX[/b]
88 Payden McVey TE 6-1 225 SO DEER PARK, TX
89 Kelechi Ejekam WR 6-3 190 FR HOUSTON, TX
90 Mark Murrill DL 6-2 255 JR [b]LUMBERTON, TX[/b]
91 Logan Moss DL 6-4 210 FR [b]ORANGEFIELD, TX[/b]
92 Eric Arnold DL 5-11 250 SO [b]ORANGE, TX[/b]
93 Jesse Dickson DE 6-3 265 JR HOUSTON, TX
98 Marcus Washington DL 6-3 295 SO HOUSTON, TX
99 Corbin Carr DL 6-3 245 FR [b]NEDERLAND, TX[/b]


Lamar has 91 players listed on this roster and 34 of them are from SE Texas.  I'm not great in math but I would say that SE Texas players make up somewhere between 35% and 40% of the roster.

What more do you want?
[/quote]Yes it may look that way, but how many of those are walk ons that were not actually recruited by lamar and chose to stay close to home. How many are still on the team? I know of three that forsure are not. Just because they are on the roster does not mean they were recruited by Lamar. I know Joseph Viator for one is a walk on who chose to be there to be close to home, not because Lamar brought him in.

[Guest EagleFan01]

Who cares about that the golden triangle is not as big a hot bed for talent as it was 10 years ago. I have talked to many recruiters over the past 5 years who say that the talent level is down thats what they stay around the houston area and metroplex. The players that can play in the triangle are usually recruited by big schools and other southland schools that Lamar has to fight with for recruits. Some of the kids yall speak of that Lamar should be going after are really good high school players but that doesn't mean they will be good college players.

[Ty Cobb]

How many of the players on Lamar's roster are walk-ons?  I don't know if there is a way for us to find this information without talking directly to one of the coaches, but I'm willing to bet the number is very low.  I'm going to go with 5% or less. (I may be wrong but I bet it's not much higher if I am)

[Ty Cobb]

Here's the 2012 roster, of a certain school in Lamar's conference, that has been to the National Championship 2 years in a row. (they lost both games but you get my point)

Let's see how many players from SE Texas they have on their roster.

Hometown (Prev School)
1  Ridgeway Frank RB 5-9 180 So. 1L Spring (Spring)
2  Miguel Antonio K 5-10 175 Sr. 3L Lovelady (Lovelady)
3  Shelby Davis DB 5-11 175 Fr. HS Texarkana (Texas)
4  Ryan Wilson RB 5-10 195 Jr. 2L Carrollton (Creekview)
5  Chris Grett QB 6-1 200 So. RS Conroe (Oak Ridge)
6  Richard Sincere WR 5-10 180 Jr. 2L Galveston (Ball)
7  Dax Swanson DB 5-11 185 Sr. 2L Waco (Toledo) (LaVega)
8  Don King III QB 6-2 205 Fr. HS Waxahachie (Waxahachie)
9  Brandon Wilkerson WR 6-1 190 Fr. RS LaGrange (LaGrange)
10  Torrance Williams WR 5-8 170 Jr. 2L Waco (Connally)
11  Brian Bell QB 6-2 175 Jr. 2L China Spring (China Spring)
12  Matt Foster P 6-6 195 Sr. 2L Melbourne,Australia (Purdue) (Monash)
13  DeAntrey Loche CB 5-10 170 Jr. 1L Diboll (Diboll)
14  Melvis Pride WR 5-11 195 Sr. 3L Odessa (Permian)
15  Jared Johnson QB 6-1 195 Fr. HS Grand Prairie (South Grand Prairie)
16  Rickey Smith WR 6-1 210 So. 1L College Station (A&M Consolidated)
17  Bookie Sneed CB 6-0 180 Jr. 2L Conroe (Conroe)
18  Trey Diller WR 6-2 200 Sr. 1L Spring (Wofford) (College Park)
19  Jarrell Crenshaw DB 5-11 185 Fr. HS Pearland (Dawson)
20  Timothy Flanders RB 5-9 210 Jr. 2L Midwest City, Ok (Kansas State) (Midwest City)
21  Desmond Fite DB 5-10 185 So. 1L Tatum (Tatum)
22  Tristan Eche S 5-10 200 Fr. RS Waco (Waco)
23  Robert Shaw DB 6-0 195 Sr. 3L Converse (Judson)
24  Vincent Dotson RB 5-8 180 Sr. 3L DeSoto (DeSoto)
25  Steven Hicks RB 5-8 190 Fr. HS Mesquite (Poteet)
26  Keshawn Hill RB 5-10 185 So. 1L Klein (Klein)
27  Mike Littleton DB 6-0 205 Sr. 2L Galveston, (Ball)
28  Chuks Orabuchi CB 6-0 175 So. SQ Denton, (Guyer)
29  Andre Moseley CB 5-10 190 Fr. RS Wylie (Wylie)
30  Will Randolph RB 5-9 188 Fr. TR Copperas Cove (Texas A&M) (Copperas Cove)
31  Michael Wade DB 5-11 195 So. 1L Arp (Arp)
32  Kenneth Jenkins DB 5-10 195 Sr. 3L Galveston (Ball)
33  Austin Campbell S 6-0 200 RFr. RS Tyler (Lee)
34  Casey Devries DE 6-4 240 Fr. RS Dalhart (Dalhart)
35  Cody Morgan RB 5-9 220 So. SQ Melissa (Melissa)
36  Darius Taylor LB 6-0 240 Sr. 3L Mesquite (Mesquite)
37  Jeremy Jackson LB 6-0 215 So. 1L Bellville (Bellville)
38  Darnell Taylor DB 6-0 195 Sr. 3L Mesquite (Mesquite)
40  Cory Hamlett DB 6-0 180 So. SQ Jacksonville (Jacksonville)
41  James French K 5-9 185 Jr. TR China Spring (Kansas State)
42  Brandon Durant ILB 6-0 220 Fr. TR Copperas Cove (Missouri)
43  Jesse Beauchamp LB 6-0 225 Jr. 2L Klein (Collins)
44  Bridge Blount ILB 5-10 230 Fr. HS Huntsville
45  Nigel Robertson ILB 5-11 225 Fr. HS Dallas (Skyline)
46  J. D. Standley TE 6-3 245 Sr. 3L Madisonville, (Madisonville)
47  Ryan Morris TE 6-3 235 Jr. SQ Frisco
48  Braden King TE 6-4 240 Fr. HS Longview (Longview)
49  Jyvante Williams ILB 6-0 200 Fr. HS Houston (North Shore)
50  Grant Clifton ILB 6-0 225 Fr. HS Katy
51  Eric Fieilo LB 5-11 220 Sr. 3L Euless (Trinity)
53  Kevin Jackson LB 5-11 200 Fr. RS Cypress (Tomball)
56  Zachary Stevens OL 6-1 270 Fr. HS Cypress (Fairbanks)
57  Chris Rogers OL 5-11 270 Sr. 1L Littleton, Colo (Iowa Central) (Columbine)
59  J. T. Cleveland DL 6-0 290 Sr. 3L Baytown, (Lee)
60  Richard Lolohea OL 6-1 305 Fr. HS Euless (Trinity)
61  R. J. Earls OL 6-2 265 Fr. HS Clute (Brazoswood)
62  Shane Weeks OL 6-3 265 Fr. HS Garland (Sachse)
63  Ken Jones DS 6-1 230 Jr. 2L Spring (Klein Collins)
66  Gary Lorance DL 6-0 290 Jr. 2L New Boston (New Boston)
67  Riley Smith OL 6-4 300 Sr. 2L Huntsville (Huntsville)
68  James DeLaRosa DL 6-1 275 Fr. HS Fort Worth (Brewer)
69  Roclan Drain OL 6-4 255 Fr. HS Chatfield (Corsicana)
70  Dan Jenkins OL 6-4 290 Sr. 2L Gilmer (Missouri) (Gilmer)
71  Scott Gonzalez OL 6-3 315 Sr. SQ Katy (Blinn) (Mayde Creek)
72  Joey White OL 6-4 305 So. 1L Wimberley (Wimberley)
73  Brandon DeWitt OL 6-3 285 Fr. HS Lawton, Okla (Lawton)
74  Donald Jackson OL 6-2 270 Fr. HS Kilgore (Kilgore)
75  Jeremy Robison OL 6-4 300 Fr. RS Garrison (Garrison)
76  Matt Boyles OL 6-3 275 Jr. 1L Southlake (Carroll)
77  Kaleb Hopson OL 6-6 300 Sr. 3L Early (Early)
80  Terrance Robinson WR 5-9 177 Sr. TR Klein Oak
81  Chance Nelson WR 5-10 165 So. TR Baytown/Sterling (Texas A&M)
82  Stephen Williams WR 5-9 180 Fr. RS Round Rock (Stoney Point)
83  T. J. Jones TE 6-3 245 Sr. 3L Tyler (Lee)
84  Beau Smith TE 6-6 230 Fr. RS Cedar Park (Cedar Park)
85  Edward Hebert WR 5-9 185 So. SQ [b]Dayton (Dayton)[/b]
86  Dustin Moehlig WR 6-0 195 So. SQ Alvin, (Alvin)
88  K. J. Williams TE 6-3 250 Sr. 1L Norman, Okla. (Texas A&M)
89  Shane Young TE 6-3 235 So. 1L Lago Vista (Lago Vista)
90  Mouf Adebo LB 6-1 215 Fr. HS Mansfield (Mansfield)
91  Preston Sanders DT 6-3 255 Jr. 2L Red Oak, (Red Oak)
92  Andrew Weaver DE 6-1 240 Jr. 1L Waco (Texas A&M) (Waco)
93  Diamonte Wheeler DT 6-2 285 So. TR Grand Prairie (Arlington)
95  John Trotter DL 6-3 265 So. 1L Rusk (Rusk)
96  Sione Latu DT 6-0 270 Fr. HS Euless (Trinity)
97  Jarrett Brown DL 6-3 265 Jr. 1L Arlington (Oklahoma) (Bowie)
99  Forbes Baggett DL 6-2 285 Jr. 2L Huntsville (Huntsville)



If SE Texas has so many great, home grown players that Lamar should be recruiting, then tell me why a team with back-to-back National Championship appearances are not recruiting them.  As a matter of fact, there is only one person on this roster from SE Texas. (Dayton)

[nikespeed]

[quote name="Ty Cobb" post="1366376" timestamp="1359042968"]
How many of the players on Lamar's roster are walk-ons?  I don't know if there is a way for us to find this information without talking directly to one of the coaches, but I'm willing to bet the number is very low.  I'm going to go with 5% or less. (I may be wrong but I bet it's not much higher if I am)
[/quote] I'm talking about players from southeast Texas. I counted at least 7 from southeast texas that were walk ons. My point is that Lamar didn't actually recruit this kids much at all. They probably chose to stay close to home due to personal choice. Not from Lamar's superior recruiting from this area.

[puddin tane]

looks like somebody's friends had free time in computer science at the hi skool

aint lil league

[nikespeed]

[quote name="puddin tane" post="1366407" timestamp="1359047464"]
looks like somebody's friends had free time in computer science at the hi skool

aint lil league
[/quote] Who is this directed at?

[lu cards]

lamar has already got commits from fisk(pa),couron(nederland),mitchell(central) and i know a newton has a kid committed.not sure if lamar could do any better recruiting locals.if a local player thinks they got what it takes and isnt being offered then walk on and show them theyre wrong.lamar has some issues with there football progrm but local recruiting isnt one of them.

[Bobcat1]

[quote name="Ty Cobb" post="1366384" timestamp="1359043908"]
Here's the 2012 roster, of a certain school in Lamar's conference, that has been to the National Championship 2 years in a row. (they lost both games but you get my point)

Let's see how many players from SE Texas they have on their roster.

Hometown (Prev School)
1  Ridgeway Frank RB 5-9 180 So. 1L Spring (Spring)
2  Miguel Antonio K 5-10 175 Sr. 3L Lovelady (Lovelady)
3  Shelby Davis DB 5-11 175 Fr. HS Texarkana (Texas)
4  Ryan Wilson RB 5-10 195 Jr. 2L Carrollton (Creekview)
5  Chris Grett QB 6-1 200 So. RS Conroe (Oak Ridge)
6  Richard Sincere WR 5-10 180 Jr. 2L Galveston (Ball)
7  Dax Swanson DB 5-11 185 Sr. 2L Waco (Toledo) (LaVega)
8  Don King III QB 6-2 205 Fr. HS Waxahachie (Waxahachie)
9  Brandon Wilkerson WR 6-1 190 Fr. RS LaGrange (LaGrange)
10  Torrance Williams WR 5-8 170 Jr. 2L Waco (Connally)
11  Brian Bell QB 6-2 175 Jr. 2L China Spring (China Spring)
12  Matt Foster P 6-6 195 Sr. 2L Melbourne,Australia (Purdue) (Monash)
13  DeAntrey Loche CB 5-10 170 Jr. 1L Diboll (Diboll)
14  Melvis Pride WR 5-11 195 Sr. 3L Odessa (Permian)
15  Jared Johnson QB 6-1 195 Fr. HS Grand Prairie (South Grand Prairie)
16  Rickey Smith WR 6-1 210 So. 1L College Station (A&M Consolidated)
17  Bookie Sneed CB 6-0 180 Jr. 2L Conroe (Conroe)
18  Trey Diller WR 6-2 200 Sr. 1L Spring (Wofford) (College Park)
19  Jarrell Crenshaw DB 5-11 185 Fr. HS Pearland (Dawson)
20  Timothy Flanders RB 5-9 210 Jr. 2L Midwest City, Ok (Kansas State) (Midwest City)
21  Desmond Fite DB 5-10 185 So. 1L Tatum (Tatum)
22  Tristan Eche S 5-10 200 Fr. RS Waco (Waco)
23  Robert Shaw DB 6-0 195 Sr. 3L Converse (Judson)
24  Vincent Dotson RB 5-8 180 Sr. 3L DeSoto (DeSoto)
25  Steven Hicks RB 5-8 190 Fr. HS Mesquite (Poteet)
26  Keshawn Hill RB 5-10 185 So. 1L Klein (Klein)
27  Mike Littleton DB 6-0 205 Sr. 2L Galveston, (Ball)
28  Chuks Orabuchi CB 6-0 175 So. SQ Denton, (Guyer)
29  Andre Moseley CB 5-10 190 Fr. RS Wylie (Wylie)
30  Will Randolph RB 5-9 188 Fr. TR Copperas Cove (Texas A&M) (Copperas Cove)
31  Michael Wade DB 5-11 195 So. 1L Arp (Arp)
32  Kenneth Jenkins DB 5-10 195 Sr. 3L Galveston (Ball)
33  Austin Campbell S 6-0 200 RFr. RS Tyler (Lee)
34  Casey Devries DE 6-4 240 Fr. RS Dalhart (Dalhart)
35  Cody Morgan RB 5-9 220 So. SQ Melissa (Melissa)
36  Darius Taylor LB 6-0 240 Sr. 3L Mesquite (Mesquite)
37  Jeremy Jackson LB 6-0 215 So. 1L Bellville (Bellville)
38  Darnell Taylor DB 6-0 195 Sr. 3L Mesquite (Mesquite)
40  Cory Hamlett DB 6-0 180 So. SQ Jacksonville (Jacksonville)
41  James French K 5-9 185 Jr. TR China Spring (Kansas State)
42  Brandon Durant ILB 6-0 220 Fr. TR Copperas Cove (Missouri)
43  Jesse Beauchamp LB 6-0 225 Jr. 2L Klein (Collins)
44  Bridge Blount ILB 5-10 230 Fr. HS Huntsville
45  Nigel Robertson ILB 5-11 225 Fr. HS Dallas (Skyline)
46  J. D. Standley TE 6-3 245 Sr. 3L Madisonville, (Madisonville)
47  Ryan Morris TE 6-3 235 Jr. SQ Frisco
48  Braden King TE 6-4 240 Fr. HS Longview (Longview)
49  Jyvante Williams ILB 6-0 200 Fr. HS Houston (North Shore)
50  Grant Clifton ILB 6-0 225 Fr. HS Katy
51  Eric Fieilo LB 5-11 220 Sr. 3L Euless (Trinity)
53  Kevin Jackson LB 5-11 200 Fr. RS Cypress (Tomball)
56  Zachary Stevens OL 6-1 270 Fr. HS Cypress (Fairbanks)
57  Chris Rogers OL 5-11 270 Sr. 1L Littleton, Colo (Iowa Central) (Columbine)
59  J. T. Cleveland DL 6-0 290 Sr. 3L Baytown, (Lee)
60  Richard Lolohea OL 6-1 305 Fr. HS Euless (Trinity)
61  R. J. Earls OL 6-2 265 Fr. HS Clute (Brazoswood)
62  Shane Weeks OL 6-3 265 Fr. HS Garland (Sachse)
63  Ken Jones DS 6-1 230 Jr. 2L Spring (Klein Collins)
66  Gary Lorance DL 6-0 290 Jr. 2L New Boston (New Boston)
67  Riley Smith OL 6-4 300 Sr. 2L Huntsville (Huntsville)
68  James DeLaRosa DL 6-1 275 Fr. HS Fort Worth (Brewer)
69  Roclan Drain OL 6-4 255 Fr. HS Chatfield (Corsicana)
70  Dan Jenkins OL 6-4 290 Sr. 2L Gilmer (Missouri) (Gilmer)
71  Scott Gonzalez OL 6-3 315 Sr. SQ Katy (Blinn) (Mayde Creek)
72  Joey White OL 6-4 305 So. 1L Wimberley (Wimberley)
73  Brandon DeWitt OL 6-3 285 Fr. HS Lawton, Okla (Lawton)
74  Donald Jackson OL 6-2 270 Fr. HS Kilgore (Kilgore)
75  Jeremy Robison OL 6-4 300 Fr. RS Garrison (Garrison)
76  Matt Boyles OL 6-3 275 Jr. 1L Southlake (Carroll)
77  Kaleb Hopson OL 6-6 300 Sr. 3L Early (Early)
80  Terrance Robinson WR 5-9 177 Sr. TR Klein Oak
81  Chance Nelson WR 5-10 165 So. TR Baytown/Sterling (Texas A&M)
82  Stephen Williams WR 5-9 180 Fr. RS Round Rock (Stoney Point)
83  T. J. Jones TE 6-3 245 Sr. 3L Tyler (Lee)
84  Beau Smith TE 6-6 230 Fr. RS Cedar Park (Cedar Park)
85  Edward Hebert WR 5-9 185 So. SQ [b]Dayton (Dayton)[/b]
86  Dustin Moehlig WR 6-0 195 So. SQ Alvin, (Alvin)
88  K. J. Williams TE 6-3 250 Sr. 1L Norman, Okla. (Texas A&M)
89  Shane Young TE 6-3 235 So. 1L Lago Vista (Lago Vista)
90  Mouf Adebo LB 6-1 215 Fr. HS Mansfield (Mansfield)
91  Preston Sanders DT 6-3 255 Jr. 2L Red Oak, (Red Oak)
92  Andrew Weaver DE 6-1 240 Jr. 1L Waco (Texas A&M) (Waco)
93  Diamonte Wheeler DT 6-2 285 So. TR Grand Prairie (Arlington)
95  John Trotter DL 6-3 265 So. 1L Rusk (Rusk)
96  Sione Latu DT 6-0 270 Fr. HS Euless (Trinity)
97  Jarrett Brown DL 6-3 265 Jr. 1L Arlington (Oklahoma) (Bowie)
99  Forbes Baggett DL 6-2 285 Jr. 2L Huntsville (Huntsville)



If SE Texas has so many great, home grown players that Lamar should be recruiting, then tell me why a team with back-to-back National Championship appearances are not recruiting them.  As a matter of fact, there is only one person on this roster from SE Texas. (Dayton)
[/quote]

Case and point!

[jenks]

Who cares where they are from. I don't watch Texas or A&M because of how many SETX boys are on the roster. I watch because they have good programs. Who ever started this thread got their feelings hurt or something. If Lamar was undefeated last season no one would not care if every player was from tim-buc-to.  The fact is SETX is well represented, but  we do not compete well yet in the Southland Conference. This is essentially a new program, so give it a rest. They have done well so far and should continue to improve. The program should be evaluated on wins and loses, not how many local boys are on the team.

[PinoNDN]

[quote name="jenks" post="1366596" timestamp="1359090422"]
Who cares where they are from. I don't watch Texas or A&M because of how many SETX boys are on the roster. I watch because they have good programs. Who ever started this thread got their feelings hurt or something. If Lamar was undefeated last season no one would not care if every player was from tim-buc-to.  The fact is SETX is well represented, but  we do not compete well yet in the Southland Conference. This is essentially a new program, so give it a rest. They have done well so far and should continue to improve. The program should be evaluated on wins and loses, not how many local boys are on the team.
[/quote]

Boom.

[badndn]

I would ask raiderblue to go see how many other SLC teams or FCS teams have our local talent on them now. Those would be the kids that LU missed out on because the kids at FBS schools were not going to LU! Little heads up, there aren't many at all. So it looks to me like most of the recruitable SETX FCS prospects are in the LU program. Reasons from PNG was recruited by LU this year, but liked SFA better. Not LUs fault. Kid just wanted to get away.

[SabineRavine]

But don't forget, back when the return of LU football was announced, a certain faction of this board felt that the best fit for success would be to fill the roster with predominantly local talent and fill the coaching slots with successful high school coaches from the golden triangle. 

[Javelina]

[quote name="raiderblue" post="1366317" timestamp="1359003012"]
I have a problem with Lamar Football. We have great home grown talent and can't get these yo yo's to sign them. We have several good players in the area but can not get them signed by Lamar. I am sick and tired of the shady, poor character d1 dismissals that these guys sign. They were brought in to build a program, not sign a bunch of JC problem children. Mr. Quriante and Mr. Stampley deserve shots, both are Willie Ray Smith Award Finalists, and Montana is on both sides of the ball. We dropped this program to begin with because they would not recruit local talent, I for one am not renewing my tickets because of this again. Mr Lamar President, either fix it, get ride of the football staff, or I along with several other people will non renew my tickets.. Hell at least you got McMurry and Panhandle tech on the schedule, you should be able to beat them....May want to schedule UTMB...think they are undefeated.
[/quote]

Lets do this, have Lamar fire Woodard and his entire staff and Make you the Head Coach and the rest of your poker buddies fill out the rest of the staff.  You are only allowed to have players from local schools on the team no transfers from any other school.  You are not allowed to schedule an opponet that is not FCS or FBS and your attendance and wins have to be more than woodards or we will fire you.

Now I dont have the soultion to fix Lamar football im just a HS coach but dang people the way I see it is either suck it up and support who we have or make a sizable donation to Lamar and put your two cents in.  Im not saying you cant have an opinion but if your soulution wont win anymore games than the current staff then think of another approach.  The best talent Lamar can get is the only way Lamar will win not the best Local talent.  Look at UNT New stadium not far from the Metroplex and they cant win either.

[uandme08]

I'm in no way defending Lamar or its choices. Lamar only had 7 or 8 football players that graduated leaving them with only 7 or 8 football scholarships this year (don't shoot the messenger, this is what I was told from one of the coaches when my son's name was thrown in the hat). So they may not have had many options to go with too many local players. Sad but true I was glad my son didn't want to go to Lamar but for my own personal reasons though.

[bobbymcgee]

But Sam Houston wins with its out of town players while Lamar loses and loses badly. If Lamar isn't going to recruit locally that is fine but they better get good players they can win with. The problem is Woodard has no clue what he is doing and in over his head. It is time for LU to get a real coach who can move this team forward and let Woodard go back to someplace that isn't out of his league like the arena league or JUCO.