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[quote name="DXTR" post="1371095" timestamp="1360267501"]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=108925.msg1371058#msg1371058 date=1360265114]
[quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=108925.msg1371032#msg1371032 date=1360262921]
Sutherland is 619-111 in the midst of his 20th year

That is rounding up to 31-6 on average



[/quote]His record is likely amongst the highest winning %s in the state during that period of time if not THE highest. Would like to see a more impressive résumé based on pure numbers as you provided. The other coaches were impressive at 22-7/year. Sutherland is a man amongst boys in that category.
[/quote]That puts Sutherland with 85% wins.

Others are:
Terry Culley (Silsbee)    828/257 (36yrs)    23-7 ave. season    76%
Fred Williams (Hebert)    704/122 (28 yrs)    25-4 ave. season    85%
James Gamble (Lincoln)  670/226 (34 yrs)    20-7 ave. season    75%
Cotton Robinson(Buna)  537/98  (15 yrs)    22-7 ave. season    85%
Jack Whitten(W. Sabine) 512/175 (24 yrs)  21-7 ave. season    75%

all pretty impressive.
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in 3A and below..... ::) ::) ::)....still very good, but in 3A and under.... ::)
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[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1371099" timestamp="1360267723"]
[quote author=DXTR link=topic=108925.msg1371095#msg1371095 date=1360267501]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=108925.msg1371058#msg1371058 date=1360265114]
[quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=108925.msg1371032#msg1371032 date=1360262921]
Sutherland is 619-111 in the midst of his 20th year

That is rounding up to 31-6 on average



[/quote]His record is likely amongst the highest winning %s in the state during that period of time if not THE highest. Would like to see a more impressive résumé based on pure numbers as you provided. The other coaches were impressive at 22-7/year. Sutherland is a man amongst boys in that category.
[/quote]That puts Sutherland with 85% wins.

Others are:
Terry Culley (Silsbee)    828/257 (36yrs)    23-7 ave. season    76%
Fred Williams (Hebert)    704/122 (28 yrs)    25-4 ave. season    85%
James Gamble (Lincoln)  670/226 (34 yrs)    20-7 ave. season    75%
Cotton Robinson(Buna)  537/98  (15 yrs)    22-7 ave. season    85%
Jack Whitten(W. Sabine) 512/175 (24 yrs)  21-7 ave. season    75%

all pretty impressive.
[/quote]
in 3A and below..... ::) ::) ::)....still very good, but in 3A and under.... ::)
[/quote]not sure of the others, but Silsbee and Lincoln were in 4a while Culley and Gamble were there.
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[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1371089" timestamp="1360266995"]
On another note: Stevenash also knows the truth about pre-integration coaches vs. Post integration, but his "republican" beliefs REFUSE to allow him to admit what he knows is true... ;)
[/quote]

I fully understand what you are insinuating and if I were doing what you are doing, you would be screaming and yelling racism at the top of your lungs.  By the way, Red Auerbach, Phil Jackson, Bobby Knight, Rick Pitino, Bill Self, Jim Boeheim, Coach K, etc etc etc disprove what you are trying to contend.
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[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1371099" timestamp="1360267723"]
[quote author=DXTR link=topic=108925.msg1371095#msg1371095 date=1360267501]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=108925.msg1371058#msg1371058 date=1360265114]
[quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=108925.msg1371032#msg1371032 date=1360262921]
Sutherland is 619-111 in the midst of his 20th year

That is rounding up to 31-6 on average



[/quote]His record is likely amongst the highest winning %s in the state during that period of time if not THE highest. Would like to see a more impressive résumé based on pure numbers as you provided. The other coaches were impressive at 22-7/year. Sutherland is a man amongst boys in that category.
[/quote]That puts Sutherland with 85% wins.

Others are:
Terry Culley (Silsbee)    828/257 (36yrs)    23-7 ave. season    76%
Fred Williams (Hebert)    704/122 (28 yrs)    25-4 ave. season    85%
James Gamble (Lincoln)  670/226 (34 yrs)    20-7 ave. season    75%
Cotton Robinson(Buna)  537/98  (15 yrs)    22-7 ave. season    85%
Jack Whitten(W. Sabine) 512/175 (24 yrs)  21-7 ave. season    75%

all pretty impressive.
[/quote]
in 3A and below..... ::) ::) ::)....still very good, but in 3A and under.... ::)
[/quote]

So now, coaching credibility has school size attached to it?
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[quote name="Stevenash" post="1371111" timestamp="1360268606"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=108925.msg1371089#msg1371089 date=1360266995]
On another note: Stevenash also knows the truth about pre-integration coaches vs. Post integration, but his "republican" beliefs REFUSE to allow him to admit what he knows is true... ;)
[/quote]

I fully understand what you are insinuating and if I were doing what you are doing, you would be screaming and yelling racism at the top of your lungs.  By the way, Red Auerbach, Phil Jackson, Bobby Knight, Rick Pitino, Bill Self, Jim Boeheim, Coach K, etc etc etc disprove what you are trying to contend.
[/quote]
The topic was about HIGH SCHOOL basketball coaches from THIS area, and who were the greatest ones of all time...There were MANY really good coaches from this area, but  the ones who are being deemed "great" from SE Texas in the early 60's got a pass not having to contend with the PVIL schools...THATS my point. Get it? ::)

[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=108925.msg1371112#msg1371112 date=1360268649]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=108925.msg1371099#msg1371099 date=1360267723]
[quote author=DXTR link=topic=108925.msg1371095#msg1371095 date=1360267501]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=108925.msg1371058#msg1371058 date=1360265114]
[quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=108925.msg1371032#msg1371032 date=1360262921]
Sutherland is 619-111 in the midst of his 20th year

That is rounding up to 31-6 on average



[/quote]His record is likely amongst the highest winning %s in the state during that period of time if not THE highest. Would like to see a more impressive résumé based on pure numbers as you provided. The other coaches were impressive at 22-7/year. Sutherland is a man amongst boys in that category.
[/quote]That puts Sutherland with 85% wins.

Others are:
Terry Culley (Silsbee)    828/257 (36yrs)    23-7 ave. season    76%
Fred Williams (Hebert)    704/122 (28 yrs)    25-4 ave. season    85%
James Gamble (Lincoln)  670/226 (34 yrs)    20-7 ave. season    75%
Cotton Robinson(Buna)  537/98  (15 yrs)    22-7 ave. season    85%
Jack Whitten(W. Sabine) 512/175 (24 yrs)  21-7 ave. season    75%

all pretty impressive.
[/quote]
in 3A and below..... ::) ::) ::)....still very good, but in 3A and under.... ::)
[/quote]

So now, coaching credibility has school size attached to it?
[/quote]
No, not really...However, it was in 3A and under...That fact just needed to be mentioned... ;)
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[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1371118" timestamp="1360269072"]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=108925.msg1371111#msg1371111 date=1360268606]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=108925.msg1371089#msg1371089 date=1360266995]
On another note: Stevenash also knows the truth about pre-integration coaches vs. Post integration, but his "republican" beliefs REFUSE to allow him to admit what he knows is true... ;)
[/quote]

I fully understand what you are insinuating and if I were doing what you are doing, you would be screaming and yelling racism at the top of your lungs.  By the way, Red Auerbach, Phil Jackson, Bobby Knight, Rick Pitino, Bill Self, Jim Boeheim, Coach K, etc etc etc disprove what you are trying to contend.
[/quote]
The topic was about HIGH SCHOOL basketball coaches from THIS area, and who were the greatest ones of all time...There were MANY really good coaches from this area, but  the ones who are being deemed "great" from SE Texas in the early 60's got a pass not having to contend with the PVIL schools...[color=red][b]THATS my point. Get it? [/b] [/color] ::)

[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=108925.msg1371112#msg1371112 date=1360268649]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=108925.msg1371099#msg1371099 date=1360267723]
[quote author=DXTR link=topic=108925.msg1371095#msg1371095 date=1360267501]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=108925.msg1371058#msg1371058 date=1360265114]
[quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=108925.msg1371032#msg1371032 date=1360262921]
Sutherland is 619-111 in the midst of his 20th year

That is rounding up to 31-6 on average



[/quote]His record is likely amongst the highest winning %s in the state during that period of time if not THE highest. Would like to see a more impressive résumé based on pure numbers as you provided. The other coaches were impressive at 22-7/year. Sutherland is a man amongst boys in that category.
[/quote]That puts Sutherland with 85% wins.

Others are:
Terry Culley (Silsbee)    828/257 (36yrs)    23-7 ave. season    76%
Fred Williams (Hebert)    704/122 (28 yrs)    25-4 ave. season    85%
James Gamble (Lincoln)  670/226 (34 yrs)    20-7 ave. season    75%
Cotton Robinson(Buna)  537/98  (15 yrs)    22-7 ave. season    85%
Jack Whitten(W. Sabine) 512/175 (24 yrs)  21-7 ave. season    75%

all pretty impressive.
[/quote]
in 3A and below..... ::) ::) ::)....still very good, but in 3A and under.... ::)
[/quote]

So now, coaching credibility has school size attached to it?
[/quote]
No, not really...However, it was in 3A and under...That fact just needed to be mentioned... ;)
[/quote]

No, I dont get it.  The ability to coach has nothing to do with talent levels.  If the PVIL had greater talent ( as you have said or inferred so often) why would the possibility of a great coach losing a game to one of those teams have any negative impact on his coaching record/resume or his standing in the annals of coaching?
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[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1371118" timestamp="1360269072"]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=108925.msg1371111#msg1371111 date=1360268606]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=108925.msg1371089#msg1371089 date=1360266995]
On another note: Stevenash also knows the truth about pre-integration coaches vs. Post integration, but his "republican" beliefs REFUSE to allow him to admit what he knows is true... ;)
[/quote]

I fully understand what you are insinuating and if I were doing what you are doing, you would be screaming and yelling racism at the top of your lungs.  By the way, Red Auerbach, Phil Jackson, Bobby Knight, Rick Pitino, Bill Self, Jim Boeheim, Coach K, etc etc etc disprove what you are trying to contend.
[/quote]
The topic was about HIGH SCHOOL basketball coaches from THIS area, and who were the greatest ones of all time...There were MANY really good coaches from this area, but  the ones who are being deemed "great" from SE Texas in the early 60's got a pass not having to contend with the PVIL schools...THATS my point. Get it? ::)

[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=108925.msg1371112#msg1371112 date=1360268649]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=108925.msg1371099#msg1371099 date=1360267723]
[quote author=DXTR link=topic=108925.msg1371095#msg1371095 date=1360267501]
[quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=108925.msg1371058#msg1371058 date=1360265114]
[quote author=LAZEEK link=topic=108925.msg1371032#msg1371032 date=1360262921]
Sutherland is 619-111 in the midst of his 20th year

That is rounding up to 31-6 on average



[/quote]His record is likely amongst the highest winning %s in the state during that period of time if not THE highest. Would like to see a more impressive résumé based on pure numbers as you provided. The other coaches were impressive at 22-7/year. Sutherland is a man amongst boys in that category.
[/quote]That puts Sutherland with 85% wins.

Others are:
Terry Culley (Silsbee)    828/257 (36yrs)    23-7 ave. season    76%
Fred Williams (Hebert)    704/122 (28 yrs)    25-4 ave. season    85%
James Gamble (Lincoln)  670/226 (34 yrs)    20-7 ave. season    75%
Cotton Robinson(Buna)  537/98  (15 yrs)    22-7 ave. season    85%
Jack Whitten(W. Sabine) 512/175 (24 yrs)  21-7 ave. season    75%

all pretty impressive.
[/quote]
in 3A and below..... ::) ::) ::)....still very good, but in 3A and under.... ::)
[/quote]

So now, coaching credibility has school size attached to it?
[/quote]
[b][color=red]No, not really...However, it was in 3A and under...That fact just needed to be mentioned... [/color] [/b] ;)
[/quote]

I think the theory holds that if you are coaching a competitive 3-a team against another competitive 3-a team, it is equally as difficult as coaching a competitive 4-a team against another competitive 4-a team. or 5a, 6a, etc
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Would it be safe to mention that MOST 3A and below coaches are actually football coaches in disguise picking up an extra stipend check? So a really good coach SHOULD coach circles around most 3A opponents who are being coached by Offensive Coordinators from football? Not saying that this is the case here, but is it an accurate assessment of 3A and below coaching?
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[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1371137" timestamp="1360270292"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=108925.msg1371109#msg1371109 date=1360268307]
I was not referring to those two, but since you did, Did Culley win a 4A or 5A state title? Gamble did.... ::)
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Yes, Culley won a 4A state title.
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Where?
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[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1371140" timestamp="1360270395"]
[quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=108925.msg1371137#msg1371137 date=1360270292]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=108925.msg1371109#msg1371109 date=1360268307]
I was not referring to those two, but since you did, Did Culley win a 4A or 5A state title? Gamble did.... ::)
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Yes, Culley won a 4A state title.
[/quote]
Where?
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Pampa.
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[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1371135" timestamp="1360270177"]
Would it be safe to mention that MOST 3A and below coaches are actually football coaches in disguise picking up an extra stipend check? So a really good coach SHOULD coach circles around most 3A opponents who are being coached by Offensive Coordinators from football? Not saying that this is the case here, but is it an accurate assessment of 3A and below coaching?
[/quote]

I would say that there is a good possibility that your "disguise" theory partially accurate.  But that wont wash at playoff time.  My scenario suggested that two good teams with two good coaches from similar sized schools had to deal with the same difficulties that the two good teams with two good coaches from larger schools
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[quote name="LAZEEK" post="1371156" timestamp="1360272407"]
Pretty good source tells me that Coach Fred Williams numbers that are posted are incorrect.

Source says he only coach 13-14 years and has just over 400 wins.  He does not have more wins than Gamble.
[/quote]http://texasbasketballmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/TBM-Boys-RECORDS1.pdf

Not saying this site is right, it's just where the numbers came from.
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[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1371155" timestamp="1360272245"]
Culley was NOT the Pampa coach when they won state in 1996....It is the guy (I can't think of his name) that is the current Crowley coach...Robert ????....It slips me right now...But anyway, TRY AGAIN...
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He did win in Pampa but not in 1996.
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[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=108925.msg1371155#msg1371155 date=1360272245]
Culley was NOT the Pampa coach when they won state in 1996....It is the guy (I can't think of his name) that is the current Crowley coach...Robert ????....It slips me right now...But anyway, TRY AGAIN...
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He did win in Pampa but not in 1996.
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That would be ROBERT HALE...I knew that name was on the tip of my fingers!! 8)
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[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1371165" timestamp="1360273237"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=108925.msg1371155#msg1371155 date=1360272245]
Culley was NOT the Pampa coach when they won state in 1996....It is the guy (I can't think of his name) that is the current Crowley coach...Robert ????....It slips me right now...But anyway, TRY AGAIN...
[/quote]


He did win in Pampa but not in 1996.
[/quote]

Pampa 1959 they went 33-0  Clifton McNeely was the original HC, but he had a heart attack about 7 or 8 games into the season. Coach Culley was a asst coach with Pampa and he was promoted to HC.  Coach McNeely retired that same yr.

It has been a few yrs but if my memory serves me that is what Coach Culley told me.
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