*Nederland at Beaumont Ozen Updates*/Nederland wins 50-45 in OT!!!

[mytwocents-28]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1371517" timestamp="1360341798"]
[quote author=mytwocents link=topic=108974.msg1371495#msg1371495 date=1360339247]
One day someone's big head is gonna get popped and it can't happen soon enough.  8)
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See my definition of ENVY posted above.....also look up HATER....Your pic should be next to both definitions... 8)
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You really think highly of your self don't you Dickie. I have better things to do with my time and energy then to "hate on" and "envy" you.

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1371542" timestamp="1360344468"]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=108974.msg1371517#msg1371517 date=1360341798]
[quote author=mytwocents link=topic=108974.msg1371495#msg1371495 date=1360339247]
One day someone's big head is gonna get popped and it can't happen soon enough.  8)
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See my definition of ENVY posted above.....also look up HATER....Your pic should be next to both definitions... 8)
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You really think highly of your self don't you Dickie. I have better things to do with my time and energy then to "hate on" and "envy" you.
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Am I supposed to think "lowly" of myself? ::) ::)....Get back on topic!!

[stevenash]

Believe it or not, there is a position located between "highly" and "lowly"(when it comes to self perception) and you might find it an attractive position to embrace.

[Dick Vitale]

[quote name="Stevenash" post="1371555" timestamp="1360345768"]
Believe it or not, there is a position located between "highly" and "lowly"(when it comes to self perception) and you might find it an attractive position to embrace.
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I do realize that some of you "old fashioned" thinkers may want a person of my "persuasion" to be meek and mild, but I'm just not that guy...I know who I am, I know what I am worth, and no one will tell me different. I am at the top of the food chain, as far as my family, career, knowledge, and wealth go, (Praise God) and some folks just cannot get used to that fact. Not my problem... ;)..Now...lets get back on topic!! ;)

[Honest Abe]

::) ::) ::)

[Dick Vitale]

^^^^ Case and point.... ;) 8)

[Bigdog]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1371148" timestamp="1360270930"]
[quote author=bigdog link=topic=108974.msg1371144#msg1371144 date=1360270592]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=108974.msg1371130#msg1371130 date=1360269890]
[quote author=bigdog link=topic=108974.msg1371121#msg1371121 date=1360269362]
I don't disagree, but talent wise he had more to work with.  I think that is the point that others are trying to make.  It wasn't exactly a blank slate like Ned and Vidor.
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OK, but would you agree that Westbrook, Silsbee, and Central for example ALL had talented enough teams to win or even GO to state, but did not make it? It takes MORE than talent alone to win it all...Coaching plays a HUGE factor in winning big. Particularly at the 4A and 5A level...These guys REFUSE to acknowledge what was done by him was special over the years, by making the excuse of built in talent as if NO WORK was involved..THAT is what burns my hide about it! >:(

[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=108974.msg1371122#msg1371122 date=1360269496]
[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=108974.msg1371115#msg1371115 date=1360268833]
[quote author=bigdog link=topic=108974.msg1371114#msg1371114 date=1360268672]
Your barking up the wrong tree DV. No one is saying Boutte can't coach.  He has proven himself.
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Proven himself more than once at at multiple schools, and with different groups of kids, and with different levels of talent....And saying that he couldn't do what English did at Vidor is utterly ridiculous...The guy's resume speaks for itself.
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Nobody is questioning Mr. Bouttes ability to coach.  What is being questioned is your suggestion/inference that he is the Messiah and that nobody can compare to him.  You are simply wrong about that.  He would not have had the same degree of success( in terms of titles- which seems to be your only barometer) if he had taken jobs at Dayton and Liberty instead of Lincoln and Ozen.  Also, why is his stint at Kountze never discussed by you?
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He was at Kountze from 87-89...He did well there, just had not won state yet in HIS FIRST TWO YEARS OF COACHING, period...Right out of college, mind you...Come on! :o...However, went to Lincoln, went to state, won it all twice and NO ONE ELSE did it after he left...Gamble came out of retirement and went to Austin in 99....ANOTHER great coach...If it were Sutherland, you would be on here talking about what a MAGNIFICENT achievement it was....typical... ::)
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I am not questioning that coaching has a lot to do with it, in fact that is the my point.  I am also not saying that English is a better coach.  my point is that Boutte had more to work with from that start at Ozen, and wasn't exactly hurting at Lincoln either, as they had already one 4 or 5 Championships by the time he got there. ( I don't know when he started at Lincoln)  ,  Also quit trying to make this a racial issue.
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A racial issue? HOW? :o...Are you saying that starting a BRAND NEW high school is "working with" something? He had what Beaumont ALWAYS had!! and they had not won a title since Hebert in 1982.

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[quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=108974.msg1371564#msg1371564 date=1360346201]
[quote author=Stevenash link=topic=108974.msg1371555#msg1371555 date=1360345768]
Believe it or not, there is a position located between "highly" and "lowly"(when it comes to self perception) and you might find it an attractive position to embrace.
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I do realize that some of you "old fashioned, SE Texas way" thinkers may want a person of my "persuasion" to be meek and mild, but I'm just not that guy...I know who I am, I know what I am worth, and no one will tell me different. I am at the top of the food chain, as far as my family, career, knowledge, and wealth go, (Praise God) and some "old fashioned, SE Texas thinkers" just cannot get used to that fact. Not my problem... ;)..Now...lets get back on topic!! ;)

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You still trying to say you are not making this about race?  After that comment?  Get back on topic.

[AggiesAreWe]

This has gone far enough.

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