jkbtjc53 Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 Should I call out coach Woodard for not offering Montana and the WOS linebackers?? Its choices like this that is the main reason Lamar isn't competing with other Southland teams and losing to D-2 schools.
jake94 Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 What D2 schools has LU lost to? I would like to see some of these guys get a shot, but is recruiting local guys that nobody else is recruiting the answer? The guys you mentioned were great HS players and I'd love to see them get a fair shot. But, LU is not the only team to show little interest.
tupac7 Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 But they sold the program coming back on giving local guys a shot....
jkbtjc53 Posted February 21, 2013 Author Report Posted February 21, 2013 [quote name="jake94" post="1377020" timestamp="1361418122"]What D2 schools has LU lost to? I would like to see some of these guys get a shot, but is recruiting local guys that nobody else is recruiting the answer? The guys you mentioned were great HS players and I'd love to see them get a fair shot. But, LU is not the only team to show little interest.[/quote]The two WOS linebackers just signes to a top 10 junior college. And Montana just won the Willie Ray Smith Award on both sides of the ball.And also if you look at Lamar's recruiting class none of their recruits had many offers I think one kid had four and that was the most out of all recruits. There is no reason Lamar shouldnot be living at WOS and PAM. And cherry picking all the top kids from the 409 that dont go big school.
Guest EagleFan01 Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 The kids from WOS were probably non qualifiers thats why they went junior college route. Montana to me was a ok high school player but that doesn't mean lamar should offer. Prolly got someone better than a small vidor LB
tupac7 Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 really...what games did you watch. he did all his against supposedly d1 talent ...collings...brown...and so on ...no doubt a little under sized but so is a lot of athletes that CAN PLAY
jkbtjc53 Posted February 21, 2013 Author Report Posted February 21, 2013 [quote name="EagleFan01" post="1377035" timestamp="1361420928"]The kids from WOS were probably non qualifiers thats why they went junior college route. Montana to me was a ok high school player but that doesn't mean lamar should offer. Prolly got someone better than a small vidor LB[/quote]Both the WOS linebackers have good grades. WOS has that rep for kids having bad grades but every year all our kids who sign D-1 qualify people are so silly. And PS Montana would have killed Newton.
badndn Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 Lamar signed several local kids and offered several others that chose to go elsewhere. Just because they didn't offer the Vidor guy, doesn't mean they aren't giving local kids a shot. Take a look at the roster. It's peppered with local kids and the team can't compete in the SLC!
jkbtjc53 Posted February 21, 2013 Author Report Posted February 21, 2013 Lamar offered all the kids that had D-1 offers of course they're not going to go to Lamar. And please point out what kid he offered from this area that had other southland or juco offers besides Robert Mitchell (only other offer was Kilgore JC). The fact is Ray Woodard has ignored PAM and WOS for the most part along with the rest of the Triangle. But he can go sign kids from other area's of the state and as far as New York.If the guy had a brain he'd be milking PAM Mcneese and WOS. Just like Mcneese does
ram0524 Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 [quote name="jkbtjc53" post="1377108" timestamp="1361450961"]Lamar offered all the kids that had D-1 offers of course they're not going to go to Lamar. And please point out what kid he offered from this area that had other southland or juco offers besides Robert Mitchell (only other offer was Kilgore JC). The fact is Ray Woodard has ignored PAM and WOS for the most part along with the rest of the Triangle. But he can go sign kids from other area's of the state and as far as New York.If the guy had a brain he'd be milking PAM Mcneese and WOS. Just like Mcneese does[/quote]He reached to a good number of Ned defenders. I'm not sure about all the offers he gave to them and such but he did pick up Couron.
badndn Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 [quote name="jkbtjc53" post="1377108" timestamp="1361450961"]Lamar offered all the kids that had D-1 offers of course they're not going to go to Lamar. And please point out what kid he offered from this area that had other southland or juco offers besides Robert Mitchell (only other offer was Kilgore JC). The fact is Ray Woodard has ignored PAM and WOS for the most part along with the rest of the Triangle. But he can go sign kids from other area's of the state and as far as New York.If the guy had a brain he'd be milking PAM Mcneese and WOS. Just like Mcneese does[/quote]He offered and got a verbal from Fisk at PAM and he chose Morgan State on signing day and offered OT Justin Reasons from PNG and he chose SFA. Theres two this year! Hate to burst your bubble with FACTS.Most of the PAM kids are choosing FBS schools over LU because they are FBS talent. PAM players the past few years have gone to Arkansas, Baylor, UofH amongst others. LU will be hard pressed to beat them out.
uandme08 Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 I'm in no way defending Lamar because I would much rather my son go to a juco than to Lamar and that's my own personal feelings so no need for the Lamar supporters to get all uptight. When I spoke to one of Lamar's coaches, it seemed to me that they didn't have many scholarships to offer. Can't quote him word for word but they only had 7 football players graduating. I don't know too many kids or parents that would agree to "finding" a way to make it work the 1st year with the possibility of getting a scholarship the next year when they have 30+ graduating.
badndn Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 [quote name="uandme08" post="1377124" timestamp="1361454739"]I'm in no way defending Lamar because I would much rather my son go to a juco than to Lamar and that's my own personal feelings so no need for the Lamar supporters to get all uptight. When I spoke to one of Lamar's coaches, it seemed to me that they didn't have many scholarships to offer. Can't quote him word for word but they only had 7 football players graduating. I don't know too many kids or parents that would agree to "finding" a way to make it work the 1st year with the possibility of getting a scholarship the next year when they have 30+ graduating. [/quote]Good point, but in Montana's case if he is going on a 2 year mission trip, wouldnt the scholarship not count until 2015? Of course they may also take the stance that they can offer in 2015 when he returns.
uandme08 Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 [quote name="badndn" post="1377127" timestamp="1361454936"][quote author=uandme08 link=topic=109618.msg1377124#msg1377124 date=1361454739]I'm in no way defending Lamar because I would much rather my son go to a juco than to Lamar and that's my own personal feelings so no need for the Lamar supporters to get all uptight. When I spoke to one of Lamar's coaches, it seemed to me that they didn't have many scholarships to offer. Can't quote him word for word but they only had 7 football players graduating. I don't know too many kids or parents that would agree to "finding" a way to make it work the 1st year with the possibility of getting a scholarship the next year when they have 30+ graduating. [/quote]Good point, but in Montana's case if he is going on a 2 year mission trip, wouldnt the scholarship not count until 2015? Of course they may also take the stance that they can offer in 2015 when he returns.[/quote]Heck if I know anything about Lamar other than the brief encounters I've had with them during this process. But I guess you're right, IF they were going to offer him then why not?
jkbtjc53 Posted February 21, 2013 Author Report Posted February 21, 2013 [quote name="badndn" post="1377118" timestamp="1361453958"][quote author=jkbtjc53 link=topic=109618.msg1377108#msg1377108 date=1361450961]Lamar offered all the kids that had D-1 offers of course they're not going to go to Lamar. And please point out what kid he offered from this area that had other southland or juco offers besides Robert Mitchell (only other offer was Kilgore JC). The fact is Ray Woodard has ignored PAM and WOS for the most part along with the rest of the Triangle. But he can go sign kids from other area's of the state and as far as New York.If the guy had a brain he'd be milking PAM Mcneese and WOS. Just like Mcneese does[/quote]He offered and got a verbal from Fisk at PAM and he chose Morgan State on signing day and offered OT Justin Reasons from PNG and he chose SFA. Theres two this year! Hate to burst your bubble with FACTS.Most of the PAM kids are choosing FBS schools over LU because they are FBS talent. PAM players the past few years have gone to Arkansas, Baylor, UofH amongst others. LU will be hard pressed to beat them out.[/quote]Let me bust your bubble. You just proved my point idiot!! Ricky Fisk choose Morgan State because they recruit the Golden Triangle hard he will go up there and see familiar faces if Lamar did the same he would have gotten Ricky. And the PNG kid choosing SFA over Lamar is a no brainer why go to Lamar where a guy CANT recruit when you can go to SFA and play for conference titles? The D-End from nederland only had and offer from Lamar so thats why he choose Lamar. And just because they talk to kids doesn't mean he's offered them. The Stampley kid from Nederland and The Shaw kid could have helped Lamar out but he doesn't want 409 kids that dont have better offers then Lamar.And of course PAM kids are going to go FBS if they have those offers my point is that Woodard only offers the kids with better offers then Lamar so he can say he's trying to recruit the Triangle. But he can offer a kid from Longview that doesn't have a offer from anywhere. And before you guys say anything about grade risk being a reason he doesn't offer PAM kids and WOS kids he offered and sign a running back from Corsicana last year that was a grade risk.Ps soryy for calling you and idiot.
Ty Cobb Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 This is actually the 2012 Lamar roster. (I took the seniors off the list, since they will not be playing in 2013, so you will not see them.) Also each player's classification will be higher for the 2013 season. In other words if this list says they are a freshman, they will be a sophomore for the 2013 season. Also, I do not have the new group of players on this list. However, according to the Lamar football website, there are 20 new players coming in and 3 have SETX ties. Lamar CardinalsNO NAME POS HT WT CLASS HOMETOWN0 Jacory Augustine DB 6-3 190 FR LAKE CHARLES, LA[b]0 Colby Carpenter DB 6-0 180 SO BRIDGE CITY, TX[/b]0 David Dunkin QB 5-11 190 FR AUSTIN, TX1 Nashon Davis DB 6-3 205 JR KATY, TX3 Barry Ford WR 6-1 175 JR HOUSTON, TX4 Tyrus McGlothen DB 5-8 175 JR GRAND PRAIRIE, TX5 Ryan Mossakowski QB 6-4 215 JR FRISCO, TX8 Mike Venson RB 5-9 160 JR KATY, TX9 Mike Hargis LB 6-3 225 FR AUSTIN, TX10 Jermaine Longino LB 5-10 220 JR HOUSTON, TX11 Kevin Johnson WR 6-0 210 SO HOUSTON, TX12 Caleb Berry QB 6-2 195 SO NEEDVILLE, TX13 Kye Hildreth WR 6-1 175 JR NAVASOTA, TX[b]14 DePauldrick Garrett RB 5-8 190 JR ORANGE, TX[/b]15 Oluwajimi Oyefeso WR 6-3 215 JR PASADENA, TX17 Dillon Barrett QB 6-3 220 FR DRY PRONG, LA18 Davion Wolford WR 5-11 170 SO STAFFORD, TX19 Matt Bergeron QB 5-11 180 FR MANDEVILLE, LA19 Keinon Peterson DB 5-8 190 JR DICKINSON, TX20 Michael Handy WR 5-11 185 FR CONROE, TX[b]21 Branden Thomas DB 5-9 170 JR BEAUMONT, TX[/b][b]23 Payton Ploch WR 6-2 215 JR DAYTON, TX[/b][b]24 Jacob Hanna TE 6-0 220 JR LUMBERTON, TX[/b]25 Gratian Gladney WR 5-9 165 FR HOUSTON, TX25 Kollin Kahler P 6-2 200 JR WACO, TX[b]26 Chad Allen DB 5-11 190 JR COLDSPRING, TX[/b][b]27 Caleb Harmon RB 5-9 200 JR PORT NECHES, TX[/b]28 Herschel Sims RB 5-8 215 SO ABILENE, TX30 Darrell Harris RB 5-11 185 FR WACO, TX30 George Orebe DB 5-9 165 SO HOUSTON, TX[b]32 Anthony Beard LB 6-1 235 SO LUMBERTON, TX[/b]33 Desmond Richards RB 5-9 170 FR MONTGOMERY, TX[b]34 Josh Wilson DB 5-7 185 SO BEAUMONT, TX[/b]35 Joe Okafor DL 6-6 295 SO BELLAIRE, TX37 Courtlin Thompson DB 6-1 210 JR LANCASTER, CA[b]38 Garrett Drake WR 6-2 185 FR SILSBEE, TX[/b]39 Justin Stout K 6-1 170 JR MESQUITE, TX40 Xavier Bethany DB 6-1 180 FR BURTON, TX41 Jestin White LB 6-4 190 SO HOUSTON, TX43 Chris Maikranz LS 6-6 255 JR SUGAR LAND, TX44 Ronnie Jones Jr. LB 5-10 240 FR HEMPSTEAD, TX[b]45 Joshua James LB 5-10 190 SO SILSBEE, TX[/b]46 Alex Ball K 6-3 240 FR WESTLAKE VILLAGE, CA47 P.J. Henderson TE 6-3 220 JR AUSTIN, TX48 Lawson Hartwick LS 5-11 255 SO FORNEY, TX[b]49 William Jones LB 5-10 225 JR BEAUMONT, TX[/b][b]52 Joe Persohn OL 6-4 225 FR SOUR LAKE, TX[/b][b]53 David Hollyfield DL 6-3 225 FR SILSBEE, TX[/b]54 James Washington LB 5-11 225 JR HOUSTON, TX55 Luke Campbell OL 6-4 270 FR RUSK, TX57 Jeremy Kirt DL 6-1 265 JR HOUSTON, TX[b]58 Bret Treadway OL 6-3 250 FR SILSBEE, TX[/b]62 Garrett Baxley OL 6-6 235 FR KINGWOOD, TX[b]64 Kyle Gillam OL 6-1 270 JR LUMBERTON, TX[/b]66 Marshall Fairchild OL 6-4 290 JR GONZALES, TX67 Ian Kelso OL 6-0 280 JR AUSTIN, TX70 Stephen Babin OL 6-4 315 JR BELLVILLE, TX72 Brock Wempa OL 6-2 345 JR ROYSE CITY, TX[b]73 Scott Utterback OL 6-1 290 SO VIDOR, TX[/b]75 Taylor Davis OL 6-3 290 JR PLANO, TX[b]76 Justin Brock OL 6-5 280 FR BEAUMONT, TX[/b]80 Cory Soto TE 6-8 255 JR CARDIFF BY THE SEA, CA[b]81 Jesse Sparks WR 5-10 170 SO LUMBERTON, TX[/b][b]82 Reggie Begelton WR 6-0 190 FR BEAUMONT, TX[/b][b]84 Jayce Nelson WR 6-2 170 FR PORT NECHES, TX[/b]86 Jordan Edwards WR 5-11 180 JR HOUSTON, TX[b]87 Zach Sonnier WR 6-1 185 FR ORANGE, TX[/b]88 Payden McVey TE 6-1 225 SO DEER PARK, TX89 Kelechi Ejekam WR 6-3 190 FR HOUSTON, TX[b]90 Mark Murrill DL 6-2 255 JR LUMBERTON, TX[/b][b]91 Logan Moss DL 6-4 210 FR ORANGEFIELD, TX[/b][b]92 Eric Arnold DL 5-11 250 SO ORANGE, TX[/b]93 Jesse Dickson DE 6-3 265 JR HOUSTON, TX98 Marcus Washington DL 6-3 295 SO HOUSTON, TX[b]99 Corbin Carr DL 6-3 245 FR NEDERLAND, TX[/b]That's 75 players on this list. Add the 20 new players for the upcoming 2013 season and that makes a total of 95 palyers.There are 25 players on this list from SETX. Add the 3 players that are going to be on the team for 2013. That makes 28 players on the 2013 roster from SETX.Total players: 95Players from SETX: 28[b]29% of the 2013 Lamar roster played high school football in SETX.[/b] That's a little less than 1/3 of the entire roster.Lamar is recruiting and signing players from SETX. Some are even walking on and making the team. So, jkbtjc53, what is your real problem with Lamar, Coach Woodard and the rest of his staff?
jkbtjc53 Posted February 21, 2013 Author Report Posted February 21, 2013 Only 9 of the guys on that list that you highlighted arr on scholarship. You guys keep proving my point. The rest walked on because they were attending Lamar as a regular student. Go back and check Lamar's signing classes.Its a reason all the talentes kids are leaving the program. Is it the kids?? I dont think so. Is it the coaches? I think so because there system sure hasnt produce wins on the field.Someone mentioned theyd love to see the WOS head coach or the PAM head coach apply fot the job after Woodard is let go and i agree im sure those two would run laps around Woodard when it comes to coaching
Guest EagleFan01 Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 [quote name="jkbtjc53" post="1377170" timestamp="1361459559"]Only 9 of the guys on that list that you highlighted arr on scholarship. You guys keep proving my point. The rest walked on because they were attending Lamar as a regular student. Go back and check Lamar's signing classes.Its a reason all the talentes kids are leaving the program. Is it the kids?? I dont think so. Is it the coaches? I think so because there system sure hasnt produce wins on the field.Someone mentioned theyd love to see the WOS head coach or the PAM head coach apply fot the job after Woodard is let go and i agree im sure those two would run laps around Woodard when it comes to coaching[/quote]WRONG 17 of those highlighted are on some kind of football scholarship. Not to mention the kids they just signed in Feb who are from the area so that will be well over 25 on scholarship next fall. So learn something before you talk about the coachs at Lamar. You must be someone who Lamar didn't offer and you are sour about it. Montana is not offerable thats it hands down every team in the country said it thats why he has no scholarship offers to any team in the country from JUCO, NAIA, DIII<DII FCS,and FBS.*Mod Edit - Do not use profanity on this board!! *
Guest EagleFan01 Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 [quote name="jkbtjc53" post="1377045" timestamp="1361422492"][quote author=EagleFan01 link=topic=109618.msg1377035#msg1377035 date=1361420928]The kids from WOS were probably non qualifiers thats why they went junior college route. Montana to me was a ok high school player but that doesn't mean lamar should offer. Prolly got someone better than a small vidor LB[/quote]Both the WOS linebackers have good grades. WOS has that rep for kids having bad grades but every year all our kids who sign D-1 qualify people are so silly. [b]And PS Montana would have killed Newton.[/b][/quote]HAHAHAHAHAHAHA OK whatever you say buddy. So if the two linebackers didn't have grade issues why didn't Lynch stay with McNeese?
cooligan Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 Sorry jkbtc53 The DE from Ned had multiple offers that amounted to over $500k and did include 4 D1aa's. He actually chose LU because of the engineering dept over the others. Also, I believe if you look at LU's LB recruit's for 2013 they are all very talented and their ceilings are much higher than those you are arguing for.
mytwocents-28 Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 [quote name="EagleFan01" post="1377173" timestamp="1361459815"][quote author=jkbtjc53 link=topic=109618.msg1377170#msg1377170 date=1361459559]Only 9 of the guys on that list that you highlighted arr on scholarship. You guys keep proving my point. The rest walked on because they were attending Lamar as a regular student. Go back and check Lamar's signing classes.Its a reason all the talentes kids are leaving the program. Is it the kids?? I dont think so. Is it the coaches? I think so because there system sure hasnt produce wins on the field.Someone mentioned theyd love to see the WOS head coach or the PAM head coach apply fot the job after Woodard is let go and i agree im sure those two would run laps around Woodard when it comes to coaching[/quote]WRONG 17 of those highlighted are on some kind of football scholarship. Not to mention the kids they just signed in Feb who are from the area so that will be well over 25 on scholarship next fall. So learn something before you talk about the coachs at Lamar. You must be someone who Lamar didn't offer and you are sour about it. Montana is not offerable thats it hands down every team in the country said it thats why he has no scholarship offers to any team in the country from JUCO, NAIA, DIII<DII FCS,and FBS.[/quote]Might wanna watch the language there buddy. And you need to get your facts straight before you talk about someone and offers. Montana does have offers. Four of em if I'm not mistaken but he decided to go another route.
Ty Cobb Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 [quote name="jkbtjc53" post="1377170" timestamp="1361459559"]Only 9 of the guys on that list that you highlighted arr on scholarship. You guys keep proving my point. The rest walked on because they were attending Lamar as a regular student. Go back and check Lamar's signing classes.[b]Its a reason all the talentes kids are leaving the program.[/b] Is it the kids?? I dont think so. Is it the coaches? I think so because there system sure hasnt produce wins on the field.Someone mentioned theyd love to see the WOS head coach or the PAM head coach apply fot the job after Woodard is let go and i agree im sure those two would run laps around Woodard when it comes to coaching[/quote]Can you give me a couple examples of, "all the talented kids leaving the program"? I'm not aware of any talent leaving the program, except for graduating seniors. And, where is all of this talent going?
jkbtjc53 Posted February 21, 2013 Author Report Posted February 21, 2013 [quote name="EagleFan01" post="1377175" timestamp="1361460162"][quote author=jkbtjc53 link=topic=109618.msg1377045#msg1377045 date=1361422492][quote author=EagleFan01 link=topic=109618.msg1377035#msg1377035 date=1361420928]The kids from WOS were probably non qualifiers thats why they went junior college route. Montana to me was a ok high school player but that doesn't mean lamar should offer. Prolly got someone better than a small vidor LB[/quote]Both the WOS linebackers have good grades. WOS has that rep for kids having bad grades but every year all our kids who sign D-1 qualify people are so silly. [b]And PS Montana would have killed Newton.[/b][/quote]HAHAHAHAHAHAHA OK whatever you say buddy. So if the two linebackers didn't have grade issues why didn't Lynch stay with McNeese?[/quote]Lynch never had a scholarship from Mcneese that was Colin Janice and he switched to Arkansas State genius. And Daniel Woodson is and all A&B student.Also only 8 of those players highlighted on that list FULL scholarships paying for a kids books is not a scholarship even though for braggimg rights player parents and player themselves will say it is.
Boneyard Boys Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 In my opinion Lamar is stupid for not getting Montana. Every time Vidor has played in that stadium the Vidor fans have packed half the stands. So you would instantly have a huge following of paying customers to watch every one of Montana's home games. Not to mention what he can do for you on the field for four years. Big mistake, get the local star Lamar, if you get him they will come. I know I for one don't attend Lamar games, could care less, but with this kid yea me and my family would be season ticket holders and I know there are plenty more like me.
jkbtjc53 Posted February 21, 2013 Author Report Posted February 21, 2013 [quote name="Ty Cobb" post="1377194" timestamp="1361461701"][quote author=jkbtjc53 link=topic=109618.msg1377170#msg1377170 date=1361459559]Only 9 of the guys on that list that you highlighted arr on scholarship. You guys keep proving my point. The rest walked on because they were attending Lamar as a regular student. Go back and check Lamar's signing classes.[b]Its a reason all the talentes kids are leaving the program.[/b] Is it the kids?? I dont think so. Is it the coaches? I think so because there system sure hasnt produce wins on the field.Someone mentioned theyd love to see the WOS head coach or the PAM head coach apply fot the job after Woodard is let go and i agree im sure those two would run laps around Woodard when it comes to coaching[/quote]Can you give me a couple examples of, "all the talented kids leaving the program"? I'm not aware of any talent leaving the program, except for graduating seniors. And, where is all of this talent going?[/quote]Blake Chavis (A&M signee out of highschool) Greg Odens younger brother I cant think of his name right now, Jeremy Johnson (WVU out of highschool) Depauldrick Garrett left the program because Woodard wouldn't give him a full scholarship, Lamar signed a kid out of juco that had a USC off out of highschool he left the program. And there are more I could go on and on.
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