Serious Question

[Ty Cobb]

[quote name="jkbtjc53" post="1377205" timestamp="1361462978"]
[quote author=Ty Cobb link=topic=109618.msg1377194#msg1377194 date=1361461701]
[quote author=jkbtjc53 link=topic=109618.msg1377170#msg1377170 date=1361459559]
Only 9 of the guys on that list that you highlighted arr on scholarship. You guys keep proving my point. The rest walked on because they were attending Lamar as a regular student. Go back and check Lamar's signing classes.


[b]Its a reason all the talentes kids are leaving the program.[/b] Is it the kids?? I dont think so. Is it the coaches? I think so because there system sure hasnt produce wins on the field.


Someone mentioned theyd love to see the WOS head coach or the PAM head coach apply fot the job after Woodard is let go and i agree im sure those two would run laps around Woodard when it comes to coaching
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Can you give me a couple examples of, "all the talented kids leaving the program"?  I'm not aware of any talent leaving the program, except for graduating seniors.  And, where is all of this talent going?
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Blake Chavis (A&M signee out of highschool) Greg Odens younger brother I cant think of his name right now, Jeremy Johnson (WVU out of highschool) Depauldrick Garrett left the program because Woodard wouldn't give him a full scholarship, Lamar signed a kid out of juco that had a USC off out of highschool he left the program.  And there are more I could go on and on.
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Ok, let me get this straight.  Partial scholarships don't count, only full scholarships will satisfy you.  You listed a few names that left the program.  Where did these guys go after they left? 

I know for a fact that Jeremy Johnson left West Virginia because they wanted him to play a different position besides QB.  He came to Lamar, was given an opportunity to play QB, then left when he wasn't the starter.  I think he enrolled at Blinn JC in order to play QB.  So he went from an FBS school, to a FCS school, to a JC.

You said Depauldrick Garrett left becuase he didn't get a full scholarship.  Where did he go after Lamar?

Same question for Blake Chavis.  He signed with Texas A&M, then transfered to Lamar.  Did he leave Lamar and go elsewhere?  If he did, where did he go?  According to the Lamar 2012 roster, Blake Chavis was a senior last season.  Does that mean he graduated from Lamar? 

[Guest EagleFan01]

[quote name="jkbtjc53" post="1377205" timestamp="1361462978"]
[quote author=Ty Cobb link=topic=109618.msg1377194#msg1377194 date=1361461701]
[quote author=jkbtjc53 link=topic=109618.msg1377170#msg1377170 date=1361459559]
Only 9 of the guys on that list that you highlighted arr on scholarship. You guys keep proving my point. The rest walked on because they were attending Lamar as a regular student. Go back and check Lamar's signing classes.


[b]Its a reason all the talentes kids are leaving the program.[/b] Is it the kids?? I dont think so. Is it the coaches? I think so because there system sure hasnt produce wins on the field.


Someone mentioned theyd love to see the WOS head coach or the PAM head coach apply fot the job after Woodard is let go and i agree im sure those two would run laps around Woodard when it comes to coaching
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Can you give me a couple examples of, "all the talented kids leaving the program"?  I'm not aware of any talent leaving the program, except for graduating seniors.  And, where is all of this talent going?
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Blake Chavis (A&M signee out of highschool) Greg Odens younger brother I cant think of his name right now, Jeremy Johnson (WVU out of highschool) Depauldrick Garrett left the program because Woodard wouldn't give him a full scholarship, Lamar signed a kid out of juco that had a USC off out of highschool he left the program.  And there are more I could go on and on.
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Blake Chavis quit because he wasn't haven his way. Oden left because of grade issues as did the Campbell kid you speak off who had an offer from USC. Garrett didn't leave the program he was on scholarship he just ran out of eligibility wasn't granted the 6th year. Jeremy Johnson another one who left because he wanted the starting QB job handed to him and he didn't want to compete for the job. They offered to let him play receiver and he said No so he goes to Blinn and doesn't get to play QB there either. So please go on

[jkbtjc53]

Blake Chavis lefy because he called coach Woodard out on his bs coaching. Its amazing how Oden could pass all his classes at Arkansas but couldn't pass at Lamar. Jeremy Johnson was promised the QB job Woodard didn't keep his promise.  Garrett was not on a full scholarship.

[Ty Cobb]

[quote name="jkbtjc53" post="1377238" timestamp="1361466117"]
Blake Chavis lefy because he called coach Woodard out on his bs coaching. Its amazing how Oden could pass all his classes at Arkansas but couldn't pass at Lamar. Jeremy Johnson was promised the QB job Woodard didn't keep his promise.  Garrett was not on a full scholarship.
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So you are basing your statement of, "all the talented kids are leaving the program"  on the following:
1.  On a person who left Texas A&M, transfered to Lamar and during his senior season called out Coach Woodard on his coaching style.  Why did he leave Texas A&M?  Did he call out Coach Sumlin also?
2.  On a person who passed classes at Arkansas but couldn't pass at Lamar.  Where did this Mr. Oden go to after he left Lamar?
3.  On a QB that was promised the job, but for whatever reason, couldn't keep the starting job.  We all know he left and went JC.
4.  On a student athlete who was not on full scholarship.  Where did Mr. partial scholarship go after Lamar?


Please understand that I DO NOT support Lamar.  I actually root against them from time-to-time.  I'm a Sam Houston State Bearkat!!!  However, I do follow athletes from SETX and your claims are terrible and have no substance. 

[jkbtjc53]

Many people use this username and no the claims are accurate. Im one of the above mentioned and what jkb is saying isn't 100% true but he's not to far off.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

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[b]Many people use this username[/b] and no the claims are accurate. Im one of the above mentioned and what jkb is saying isn't 100% true but he's not to far off.
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[badndn]

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1377274" timestamp="1361470182"]
[quote author=jkbtjc53 link=topic=109618.msg1377251#msg1377251 date=1361467701]
[b]Many people use this username[/b] and no the claims are accurate. Im one of the above mentioned and what jkb is saying isn't 100% true but he's not to far off.
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[Peppermint Patty]

I am jkbtjc53.

[badndn]

I am jkbtjc53.

[robanadana]

OK guys, let me settle the Montana issue for you. He wanted to play at one of the schools in Utah for obvious reasons. This limited the number of schools who were asking about him because they felt they were wasting their time and a scholarship on someone who wouldn't accept. He only recently changed his mind about playing for other schools outside of Utah....and it sorta bit him. Now, he is going on his mission and will play at the end of that. This all coming from an extremely reliable source.

[stang4life]

[quote name="Ty Cobb" post="1377163" timestamp="1361458409"]
This is actually the 2012 Lamar roster.  (I took the seniors off the list, since they will not be playing in 2013, so you will not see them.)  Also each player's classification will be higher for the 2013 season.  In other words if this list says they are a freshman, they will be a sophomore for the 2013 season.  Also, I do not have the new group of players on this list.  However, according to the Lamar football website, there are 20 new players coming in and 3 have SETX ties. 


Lamar Cardinals
NO  NAME  POS  HT  WT  CLASS  HOMETOWN
0  Jacory Augustine  DB  6-3  190  FR  LAKE CHARLES, LA
[b]0  Colby Carpenter  DB  6-0  180  SO  BRIDGE CITY, TX[/b]
0  David Dunkin  QB  5-11  190  FR  AUSTIN, TX
1  Nashon Davis  DB  6-3  205  JR  KATY, TX
3  Barry Ford  WR  6-1  175  JR  HOUSTON, TX
4  Tyrus McGlothen  DB  5-8  175  JR  GRAND PRAIRIE, TX
5  Ryan Mossakowski  QB  6-4  215  JR  FRISCO, TX
8  Mike Venson  RB  5-9  160  JR  KATY, TX
9  Mike Hargis  LB  6-3  225  FR  AUSTIN, TX
10  Jermaine Longino  LB  5-10  220  JR  HOUSTON, TX
11  Kevin Johnson  WR  6-0  210  SO  HOUSTON, TX
12  Caleb Berry  QB  6-2  195  SO  NEEDVILLE, TX
13  Kye Hildreth  WR  6-1  175  JR  NAVASOTA, TX
[b]14  DePauldrick Garrett  RB  5-8  190  JR  ORANGE, TX[/b]
15  Oluwajimi Oyefeso  WR  6-3  215  JR  PASADENA, TX
17  Dillon Barrett  QB  6-3  220  FR  DRY PRONG, LA
18  Davion Wolford  WR  5-11  170  SO  STAFFORD, TX
19  Matt Bergeron  QB  5-11  180  FR  MANDEVILLE, LA
19  Keinon Peterson  DB  5-8  190  JR  DICKINSON, TX
20  Michael Handy  WR  5-11  185  FR  CONROE, TX
[b]21  Branden Thomas  DB  5-9  170  JR  BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
[b]23  Payton Ploch  WR  6-2  215  JR  DAYTON, TX[/b]
[b]24  Jacob Hanna  TE  6-0  220  JR  LUMBERTON, TX[/b]
25  Gratian Gladney  WR  5-9  165  FR  HOUSTON, TX
25  Kollin Kahler  P  6-2  200  JR  WACO, TX
[b]26  Chad Allen  DB  5-11  190  JR  COLDSPRING, TX[/b]
[b]27  Caleb Harmon  RB  5-9  200  JR  PORT NECHES, TX[/b]
28  Herschel Sims  RB  5-8  215  SO  ABILENE, TX
30  Darrell Harris  RB  5-11  185  FR  WACO, TX
30  George Orebe  DB  5-9  165  SO  HOUSTON, TX
[b]32  Anthony Beard  LB  6-1  235  SO  LUMBERTON, TX[/b]
33  Desmond Richards  RB  5-9  170  FR  MONTGOMERY, TX
[b]34  Josh Wilson  DB  5-7  185  SO  BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
35  Joe Okafor  DL  6-6  295  SO  BELLAIRE, TX
37  Courtlin Thompson  DB  6-1  210  JR  LANCASTER, CA
[b]38  Garrett Drake  WR  6-2  185  FR  SILSBEE, TX[/b]
39  Justin Stout  K  6-1  170  JR  MESQUITE, TX
40  Xavier Bethany  DB  6-1  180  FR  BURTON, TX
41  Jestin White  LB  6-4  190  SO  HOUSTON, TX
43  Chris Maikranz  LS  6-6  255  JR  SUGAR LAND, TX
44  Ronnie Jones Jr.  LB  5-10  240  FR  HEMPSTEAD, TX
[b]45  Joshua James  LB  5-10  190  SO  SILSBEE, TX[/b]
46  Alex Ball  K  6-3  240  FR  WESTLAKE VILLAGE, CA
47  P.J. Henderson  TE  6-3  220  JR  AUSTIN, TX
48  Lawson Hartwick  LS  5-11  255  SO  FORNEY, TX
[b]49  William Jones  LB  5-10  225  JR  BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
[b]52  Joe Persohn  OL  6-4  225  FR  SOUR LAKE, TX[/b]
[b]53  David Hollyfield  DL  6-3  225  FR  SILSBEE, TX[/b]
54  James Washington  LB  5-11  225  JR  HOUSTON, TX
55  Luke Campbell  OL  6-4  270  FR  RUSK, TX
57  Jeremy Kirt  DL  6-1  265  JR  HOUSTON, TX
[b]58  Bret Treadway  OL  6-3  250  FR  SILSBEE, TX[/b]
62  Garrett Baxley  OL  6-6  235  FR  KINGWOOD, TX
[b]64  Kyle Gillam  OL  6-1  270  JR  LUMBERTON, TX[/b]
66  Marshall Fairchild  OL  6-4  290  JR  GONZALES, TX
67  Ian Kelso  OL  6-0  280  JR  AUSTIN, TX
70  Stephen Babin  OL  6-4  315  JR  BELLVILLE, TX
72  Brock Wempa  OL  6-2  345  JR  ROYSE CITY, TX
[b]73  Scott Utterback  OL  6-1  290  SO  VIDOR, TX[/b]
75  Taylor Davis  OL  6-3  290  JR  PLANO, TX
[b]76  Justin Brock  OL  6-5  280  FR  BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
80  Cory Soto  TE  6-8  255  JR  CARDIFF BY THE SEA, CA
[b]81  Jesse Sparks  WR  5-10  170  SO  LUMBERTON, TX[/b]
[b]82  Reggie Begelton  WR  6-0  190  FR  BEAUMONT, TX[/b]
[b]84  Jayce Nelson  WR  6-2  170  FR  PORT NECHES, TX[/b]
86  Jordan Edwards  WR  5-11  180  JR  HOUSTON, TX
[b]87  Zach Sonnier  WR  6-1  185  FR  ORANGE, TX[/b]
88  Payden McVey  TE  6-1  225  SO  DEER PARK, TX
89  Kelechi Ejekam  WR  6-3  190  FR  HOUSTON, TX
[b]90  Mark Murrill  DL  6-2  255  JR  LUMBERTON, TX[/b]
[b]91  Logan Moss  DL  6-4  210  FR  ORANGEFIELD, TX[/b]
[b]92  Eric Arnold  DL  5-11  250  SO  ORANGE, TX[/b]
93  Jesse Dickson  DE  6-3  265  JR  HOUSTON, TX
98  Marcus Washington  DL  6-3  295  SO  HOUSTON, TX
[b]99  Corbin Carr  DL  6-3  245  FR  NEDERLAND, TX[/b]

That's 75 players on this list.  Add the 20 new players for the upcoming 2013 season and that makes a total of 95 palyers.

There are 25 players on this list from SETX.  Add the 3 players that are going to be on the team for 2013.  That makes 28 players on the 2013 roster from SETX.

Total players: 95
Players from SETX: 28
[b]29% of the 2013 Lamar roster played high school football in SETX.[/b]  That's a little less than 1/3 of the entire roster.

Lamar is recruiting and signing players from SETX.  Some are even walking on and making the team. 

So, jkbtjc53, what is your real problem with Lamar, Coach Woodard and the rest of his staff?
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Actually, you can take DePauldrick Garrett's name off of that list because he graduated in December and was told that he would not qualify for a medical redshirt because he would be hard-pressed to win a 6th year.  It befuddles me because he was redshirted his first year at Navarro and then had the season-ending shoulder injury two years ago.  Players win those 6th years all of the time.  Of course, he was not even on a full-scholarship until last summer...he was on a partial.  There are some things that are taking place that put a very bad taste in people's mouths. 

Instead of sticking with talent and players that had proven themselves in the past and sticking to his word that they would be on full scholarships, he stuck his neck out there and recruited the kids from OSU.  I was not surprised when Sims left the team after his court appearance and disposition. 

If Lamar keeps up its current practices, this program will have the same fate as the 1980's program.  I hate to see it because it does provide an arena for kids to continue playing football while earning their degrees.