Ty Cobb Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 [quote name="jkbtjc53" post="1377205" timestamp="1361462978"][quote author=Ty Cobb link=topic=109618.msg1377194#msg1377194 date=1361461701][quote author=jkbtjc53 link=topic=109618.msg1377170#msg1377170 date=1361459559]Only 9 of the guys on that list that you highlighted arr on scholarship. You guys keep proving my point. The rest walked on because they were attending Lamar as a regular student. Go back and check Lamar's signing classes.[b]Its a reason all the talentes kids are leaving the program.[/b] Is it the kids?? I dont think so. Is it the coaches? I think so because there system sure hasnt produce wins on the field.Someone mentioned theyd love to see the WOS head coach or the PAM head coach apply fot the job after Woodard is let go and i agree im sure those two would run laps around Woodard when it comes to coaching[/quote]Can you give me a couple examples of, "all the talented kids leaving the program"? I'm not aware of any talent leaving the program, except for graduating seniors. And, where is all of this talent going?[/quote]Blake Chavis (A&M signee out of highschool) Greg Odens younger brother I cant think of his name right now, Jeremy Johnson (WVU out of highschool) Depauldrick Garrett left the program because Woodard wouldn't give him a full scholarship, Lamar signed a kid out of juco that had a USC off out of highschool he left the program. And there are more I could go on and on.[/quote]Ok, let me get this straight. Partial scholarships don't count, only full scholarships will satisfy you. You listed a few names that left the program. Where did these guys go after they left? I know for a fact that Jeremy Johnson left West Virginia because they wanted him to play a different position besides QB. He came to Lamar, was given an opportunity to play QB, then left when he wasn't the starter. I think he enrolled at Blinn JC in order to play QB. So he went from an FBS school, to a FCS school, to a JC. You said Depauldrick Garrett left becuase he didn't get a full scholarship. Where did he go after Lamar?Same question for Blake Chavis. He signed with Texas A&M, then transfered to Lamar. Did he leave Lamar and go elsewhere? If he did, where did he go? According to the Lamar 2012 roster, Blake Chavis was a senior last season. Does that mean he graduated from Lamar?
Guest EagleFan01 Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 [quote name="jkbtjc53" post="1377205" timestamp="1361462978"][quote author=Ty Cobb link=topic=109618.msg1377194#msg1377194 date=1361461701][quote author=jkbtjc53 link=topic=109618.msg1377170#msg1377170 date=1361459559]Only 9 of the guys on that list that you highlighted arr on scholarship. You guys keep proving my point. The rest walked on because they were attending Lamar as a regular student. Go back and check Lamar's signing classes.[b]Its a reason all the talentes kids are leaving the program.[/b] Is it the kids?? I dont think so. Is it the coaches? I think so because there system sure hasnt produce wins on the field.Someone mentioned theyd love to see the WOS head coach or the PAM head coach apply fot the job after Woodard is let go and i agree im sure those two would run laps around Woodard when it comes to coaching[/quote]Can you give me a couple examples of, "all the talented kids leaving the program"? I'm not aware of any talent leaving the program, except for graduating seniors. And, where is all of this talent going?[/quote]Blake Chavis (A&M signee out of highschool) Greg Odens younger brother I cant think of his name right now, Jeremy Johnson (WVU out of highschool) Depauldrick Garrett left the program because Woodard wouldn't give him a full scholarship, Lamar signed a kid out of juco that had a USC off out of highschool he left the program. And there are more I could go on and on.[/quote]Blake Chavis quit because he wasn't haven his way. Oden left because of grade issues as did the Campbell kid you speak off who had an offer from USC. Garrett didn't leave the program he was on scholarship he just ran out of eligibility wasn't granted the 6th year. Jeremy Johnson another one who left because he wanted the starting QB job handed to him and he didn't want to compete for the job. They offered to let him play receiver and he said No so he goes to Blinn and doesn't get to play QB there either. So please go on
jkbtjc53 Posted February 21, 2013 Author Report Posted February 21, 2013 Blake Chavis lefy because he called coach Woodard out on his bs coaching. Its amazing how Oden could pass all his classes at Arkansas but couldn't pass at Lamar. Jeremy Johnson was promised the QB job Woodard didn't keep his promise. Garrett was not on a full scholarship.
Ty Cobb Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 [quote name="jkbtjc53" post="1377238" timestamp="1361466117"]Blake Chavis lefy because he called coach Woodard out on his bs coaching. Its amazing how Oden could pass all his classes at Arkansas but couldn't pass at Lamar. Jeremy Johnson was promised the QB job Woodard didn't keep his promise. Garrett was not on a full scholarship.[/quote]So you are basing your statement of, "all the talented kids are leaving the program" on the following:1. On a person who left Texas A&M, transfered to Lamar and during his senior season called out Coach Woodard on his coaching style. Why did he leave Texas A&M? Did he call out Coach Sumlin also?2. On a person who passed classes at Arkansas but couldn't pass at Lamar. Where did this Mr. Oden go to after he left Lamar? 3. On a QB that was promised the job, but for whatever reason, couldn't keep the starting job. We all know he left and went JC.4. On a student athlete who was not on full scholarship. Where did Mr. partial scholarship go after Lamar?Please understand that I DO NOT support Lamar. I actually root against them from time-to-time. I'm a Sam Houston State Bearkat!!! However, I do follow athletes from SETX and your claims are terrible and have no substance.
jkbtjc53 Posted February 21, 2013 Author Report Posted February 21, 2013 Many people use this username and no the claims are accurate. Im one of the above mentioned and what jkb is saying isn't 100% true but he's not to far off.
Mr. Buddy Garrity Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 [quote name="jkbtjc53" post="1377251" timestamp="1361467701"][b]Many people use this username[/b] and no the claims are accurate. Im one of the above mentioned and what jkb is saying isn't 100% true but he's not to far off.[/quote] ???
badndn Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 [quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1377274" timestamp="1361470182"][quote author=jkbtjc53 link=topic=109618.msg1377251#msg1377251 date=1361467701][b]Many people use this username[/b] and no the claims are accurate. Im one of the above mentioned and what jkb is saying isn't 100% true but he's not to far off.[/quote] ???[/quote] ??? ???
robanadana Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 OK guys, let me settle the Montana issue for you. He wanted to play at one of the schools in Utah for obvious reasons. This limited the number of schools who were asking about him because they felt they were wasting their time and a scholarship on someone who wouldn't accept. He only recently changed his mind about playing for other schools outside of Utah....and it sorta bit him. Now, he is going on his mission and will play at the end of that. This all coming from an extremely reliable source.
stang4life Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 [quote name="Ty Cobb" post="1377163" timestamp="1361458409"]This is actually the 2012 Lamar roster. (I took the seniors off the list, since they will not be playing in 2013, so you will not see them.) Also each player's classification will be higher for the 2013 season. In other words if this list says they are a freshman, they will be a sophomore for the 2013 season. Also, I do not have the new group of players on this list. However, according to the Lamar football website, there are 20 new players coming in and 3 have SETX ties. Lamar CardinalsNO NAME POS HT WT CLASS HOMETOWN0 Jacory Augustine DB 6-3 190 FR LAKE CHARLES, LA[b]0 Colby Carpenter DB 6-0 180 SO BRIDGE CITY, TX[/b]0 David Dunkin QB 5-11 190 FR AUSTIN, TX1 Nashon Davis DB 6-3 205 JR KATY, TX3 Barry Ford WR 6-1 175 JR HOUSTON, TX4 Tyrus McGlothen DB 5-8 175 JR GRAND PRAIRIE, TX5 Ryan Mossakowski QB 6-4 215 JR FRISCO, TX8 Mike Venson RB 5-9 160 JR KATY, TX9 Mike Hargis LB 6-3 225 FR AUSTIN, TX10 Jermaine Longino LB 5-10 220 JR HOUSTON, TX11 Kevin Johnson WR 6-0 210 SO HOUSTON, TX12 Caleb Berry QB 6-2 195 SO NEEDVILLE, TX13 Kye Hildreth WR 6-1 175 JR NAVASOTA, TX[b]14 DePauldrick Garrett RB 5-8 190 JR ORANGE, TX[/b]15 Oluwajimi Oyefeso WR 6-3 215 JR PASADENA, TX17 Dillon Barrett QB 6-3 220 FR DRY PRONG, LA18 Davion Wolford WR 5-11 170 SO STAFFORD, TX19 Matt Bergeron QB 5-11 180 FR MANDEVILLE, LA19 Keinon Peterson DB 5-8 190 JR DICKINSON, TX20 Michael Handy WR 5-11 185 FR CONROE, TX[b]21 Branden Thomas DB 5-9 170 JR BEAUMONT, TX[/b][b]23 Payton Ploch WR 6-2 215 JR DAYTON, TX[/b][b]24 Jacob Hanna TE 6-0 220 JR LUMBERTON, TX[/b]25 Gratian Gladney WR 5-9 165 FR HOUSTON, TX25 Kollin Kahler P 6-2 200 JR WACO, TX[b]26 Chad Allen DB 5-11 190 JR COLDSPRING, TX[/b][b]27 Caleb Harmon RB 5-9 200 JR PORT NECHES, TX[/b]28 Herschel Sims RB 5-8 215 SO ABILENE, TX30 Darrell Harris RB 5-11 185 FR WACO, TX30 George Orebe DB 5-9 165 SO HOUSTON, TX[b]32 Anthony Beard LB 6-1 235 SO LUMBERTON, TX[/b]33 Desmond Richards RB 5-9 170 FR MONTGOMERY, TX[b]34 Josh Wilson DB 5-7 185 SO BEAUMONT, TX[/b]35 Joe Okafor DL 6-6 295 SO BELLAIRE, TX37 Courtlin Thompson DB 6-1 210 JR LANCASTER, CA[b]38 Garrett Drake WR 6-2 185 FR SILSBEE, TX[/b]39 Justin Stout K 6-1 170 JR MESQUITE, TX40 Xavier Bethany DB 6-1 180 FR BURTON, TX41 Jestin White LB 6-4 190 SO HOUSTON, TX43 Chris Maikranz LS 6-6 255 JR SUGAR LAND, TX44 Ronnie Jones Jr. LB 5-10 240 FR HEMPSTEAD, TX[b]45 Joshua James LB 5-10 190 SO SILSBEE, TX[/b]46 Alex Ball K 6-3 240 FR WESTLAKE VILLAGE, CA47 P.J. Henderson TE 6-3 220 JR AUSTIN, TX48 Lawson Hartwick LS 5-11 255 SO FORNEY, TX[b]49 William Jones LB 5-10 225 JR BEAUMONT, TX[/b][b]52 Joe Persohn OL 6-4 225 FR SOUR LAKE, TX[/b][b]53 David Hollyfield DL 6-3 225 FR SILSBEE, TX[/b]54 James Washington LB 5-11 225 JR HOUSTON, TX55 Luke Campbell OL 6-4 270 FR RUSK, TX57 Jeremy Kirt DL 6-1 265 JR HOUSTON, TX[b]58 Bret Treadway OL 6-3 250 FR SILSBEE, TX[/b]62 Garrett Baxley OL 6-6 235 FR KINGWOOD, TX[b]64 Kyle Gillam OL 6-1 270 JR LUMBERTON, TX[/b]66 Marshall Fairchild OL 6-4 290 JR GONZALES, TX67 Ian Kelso OL 6-0 280 JR AUSTIN, TX70 Stephen Babin OL 6-4 315 JR BELLVILLE, TX72 Brock Wempa OL 6-2 345 JR ROYSE CITY, TX[b]73 Scott Utterback OL 6-1 290 SO VIDOR, TX[/b]75 Taylor Davis OL 6-3 290 JR PLANO, TX[b]76 Justin Brock OL 6-5 280 FR BEAUMONT, TX[/b]80 Cory Soto TE 6-8 255 JR CARDIFF BY THE SEA, CA[b]81 Jesse Sparks WR 5-10 170 SO LUMBERTON, TX[/b][b]82 Reggie Begelton WR 6-0 190 FR BEAUMONT, TX[/b][b]84 Jayce Nelson WR 6-2 170 FR PORT NECHES, TX[/b]86 Jordan Edwards WR 5-11 180 JR HOUSTON, TX[b]87 Zach Sonnier WR 6-1 185 FR ORANGE, TX[/b]88 Payden McVey TE 6-1 225 SO DEER PARK, TX89 Kelechi Ejekam WR 6-3 190 FR HOUSTON, TX[b]90 Mark Murrill DL 6-2 255 JR LUMBERTON, TX[/b][b]91 Logan Moss DL 6-4 210 FR ORANGEFIELD, TX[/b][b]92 Eric Arnold DL 5-11 250 SO ORANGE, TX[/b]93 Jesse Dickson DE 6-3 265 JR HOUSTON, TX98 Marcus Washington DL 6-3 295 SO HOUSTON, TX[b]99 Corbin Carr DL 6-3 245 FR NEDERLAND, TX[/b]That's 75 players on this list. Add the 20 new players for the upcoming 2013 season and that makes a total of 95 palyers.There are 25 players on this list from SETX. Add the 3 players that are going to be on the team for 2013. That makes 28 players on the 2013 roster from SETX.Total players: 95Players from SETX: 28[b]29% of the 2013 Lamar roster played high school football in SETX.[/b] That's a little less than 1/3 of the entire roster.Lamar is recruiting and signing players from SETX. Some are even walking on and making the team. So, jkbtjc53, what is your real problem with Lamar, Coach Woodard and the rest of his staff? [/quote]Actually, you can take DePauldrick Garrett's name off of that list because he graduated in December and was told that he would not qualify for a medical redshirt because he would be hard-pressed to win a 6th year. It befuddles me because he was redshirted his first year at Navarro and then had the season-ending shoulder injury two years ago. Players win those 6th years all of the time. Of course, he was not even on a full-scholarship until last summer...he was on a partial. There are some things that are taking place that put a very bad taste in people's mouths. Instead of sticking with talent and players that had proven themselves in the past and sticking to his word that they would be on full scholarships, he stuck his neck out there and recruited the kids from OSU. I was not surprised when Sims left the team after his court appearance and disposition. If Lamar keeps up its current practices, this program will have the same fate as the 1980's program. I hate to see it because it does provide an arena for kids to continue playing football while earning their degrees.
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