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In the article it says that Johnson was arrested for “felony murder”. That leaves me with a ……. huh?? There is no such thing as a misdemeanor murder. But…. Within the Murder law in the Texas Penal Code (Sec. 19.02) there is a way to commit Murder without intent. Typically Murder is intentionally or knowingly taking another person’s life. That is fairly straight forward. There was another part added a few years ago that said if while committing or fleeing from another felony, a person kills someone by committing an act clearly dangerous to human life, it is Murder. An example is running a red light while trying to get away from a robbery, causing an accident that killed someone. That would still be PC 19.02 Murder but what is often called felony murder or killing someone (not intentionally) during or fleeing from a felony. So….. was this just a media mistake by using the term felony murder, perhaps unknowingly, that meant something different than what he was actually arrested for? It seems to me that if he shot the guy in the back of the head, that would simply be Murder or intentionally or knowingly taking another person’s life. There would be no accident while committing another felony. On another note, on a Facebook thread it was mentioned by someone that would likely be in a position to know or have contacts who may know, that the deceased may have been shot several times in the back of the head. If true that might tend to negate a claim of self defense.

There seems to be a lot of coincidences happening.

…. and legal with shall issue license in 21 other states. So in 46 states you can carry if you want to. Even Texas CC only did away with the $8 a year license and the 4 hour school.

Sure

Actually I wasn’t discussing pro or con assisted suicide. I was talking about the fact that he intentionally broke the law. He had to be charged or they effectively end the law. Scenario: Any hot topic law State: We absolutely will not pass such a law. (Gambling, Assisted Suicide, Marijuana, etc.) Person Objecting In Public Statement: I don’t care about your stinking law, I am going to start by (opening a casino, start killing people, open a store front open air marijuana store, etc.) State: Okay, we will not enforce that law then. If you could negate any law simply by making a public statement against or for any law and then doing it, there would be no laws. THAT is only what I meant about agree/disagree. I was pointing out that you said he should not have been charged and I think the state had absolutely had no choice but to charge him. To do otherwise would be a de facto repeal of their own law. I am neither for nor against assistant suicide. It is a rare topic where I am not sure of my opinion.

I was going to bring up a version of that. Many people (including me) said that Carter was happy because he was no longer seen as the worst president once Obama was concluded. Now Carter has dropped to number 3…… He is moving down fast in the rankings.

Agree or disagree, I understand the assisted suicide debate. Kevorkian should have been charged and needed be charged. His response was, I don’t like the law so I am going to help kill a person.

If they are terminal, what it the difference? Let’s see, he probably was going to die on Saturday but was in so much pain that he accidentally overdosed and died on Wednesday!! He was accidentally robbed out of up to 72 hours more of painful life!!!

We had one in Port Acres many years ago where neighbors were arguing over a mailbox location…. on public land. One neighbor shot and killed two who were putting the mailbox back out. Another was over a bologna sandwich. Another, where I was the lead officer, was arguing over a shirt to wear and one brother shot another. He lived however. All the others died.

Easy, he doesn’t know who he is….

Conspiracy theorist!!!

Mini Uzi…..

Keep trying. As Hippy pointed out, those traffic back ups on Cardinal and Eastex areas haven’t been happening for very long. Maybe those women just got jobs and cars in the last 15 years? I grew up in a fairly poor family and my mother had a car and job as did my grandmother going back into the 1960s. I don’t think we were an anomaly.

I just started to post that on another site. I can almost guarantee that was Secret Service inside that bunny suit.

Orange County has gone from 83k to 85k since 1980. Hatdin County has increased 15k since 1980 but only 1,590 people since 2010. The 3 counties that might directly have an effect on traffic, have increased only about 4,000 people in the last decade.

Looking at Wikipedia, Jefferson County had 245k people in 1960. Now it’s around 252k, more than 60 years later.

You are correct. This traffic has not been going on for 40 years. I believe that it is entirely a response to the massive energy sector projects we have going on in the area. For the first 20 years of my career, we would post off-duty jobs on a bulletin board and we were restricted to shift or assignment because there was so little to do to make extra money that we had to struggle to find off duty jobs. We don’t even post jobs on a bulletin board anymore. We have had area projects where we had to hire over 100 off-duty police officers in a single day to work traffic. My police department with almost 130 officers could not even come close to getting enough officers to work those jobs. We went to outside agencies, even from other counties to help us with traffic. I believe you’re correct that this problem has not been here for that long. Maybe for the last 10 to 15 years but certainly not 40 and 50 years ago and the population has not really increased.

They have successfully made the police the enemy. This ranks up there as one of the most stupid and evil liberal social philosophies ever. It hurts the people that it aims or claims to protect.

They were trying to get $5,000 in donations to buy a used car. When I just checked it was over $24,000.

WHAT?? You don’t believe that she accidentally ran into Bill Clinton in a private hanger at a Phoenix airport and decided to go inside the jet to discuss things with Clinton but it was just about the grandkids, while the Secret Service stood guard at the airplane to make sure nobody answered?

Why insult snakes???

Yes, million. I was just commenting on an Elon Musk thread and he was supposed to be worth over $300 billion.

Legally in my opinion, yes. I guess you could be a person that rides just for fun to watch your buddy commit a felony while knowing that if you get stopped, you’ll go to prison for the same felony while not intending to use any of the drugs, sell any of them, etc. It is certainly something that your lawyer can bring up at a trial in your defense. Of course then you’re going to have a hard time explaining why an argument got so heated while on the way to buy a felony amount of drugs that guns started being pointed and shots were fired. Let a jury decide who they believe. If I remember that fairly recent case in Silsbee, wasn’t there like three people from Port Neches in the car with one of them being a female? Was she actually in on the drug deal or was she driving with a boyfriend? I am fairly certain they charged her. But… Any part of the law can be used as a defense.

I think things design 50 or more years ago probably didn’t anticipate the traffic problems. Even if they did, there would probably be huge pushback. To have a public hearing by the state and say, we are going to spend many millions of dollars because 50 or 75 years from now that might be traffic issues. I think this entire project is supposed to be over $300 billion. Imagine if they came back and said, we have changed it to $1 billion because in 2075 there might be traffic issues that we can’t anticipate….. realizing that a majority of people using such a future renovation project have not even been born yet.

According to what they were on the way to buy and/or why, it could be a crime. It is criminal conspiracy for two or more people to agree on an “intent” to commit a felony by at least one person and any one person commits any overt act to accomplish the crime. So for conspiracy it has to be: 1. A felony discussed with at least two people. 2. Only one person has to intend to commit the crime. 3. The other person(s) might just agree to further the crime by an overt act such as getting the other guy(s) a gun to commit a robbery. 4. The overt act must take place. So what do we have here? Is any intent to purchase drugs a felony? If it is for a drug like heroin or cocaine, it is because mere possession of those is a felony. If there is quantity felonies such as possession of marijuana in a misdemeanor except (a) possession of 4 ounces or more is a felony or (b) you have purchased with intent to sell which is a felony. In this case it appears that you have at least two people in the car intending to go buy drugs. They are committing at least one overt act by getting the money together or making phone calls/texts to set up the deal or driving to the location. Remember that it could be any one person as part of the deal to commit the overt act so if there is a guy in Silsbee who got the drugs ready to sell, that is part of the intent. It does not have to be the guys in the car. If they were driving all the way from Beaumont to Silsbee just to buy two blunts to smoke and drive back and do nothing more, that is a misdemeanor and technically not a crime until the purchase is made. Maybe somebody would drive from Beaumont to Silsbee to buy a couple of blunts or joints but that seems like a lot of effort to smoke one or two cigarettes. I think there might be a reasonable belief that it might be at least four ounces of marijuana or another drug such as cocaine. Therefore if that can be proven (conspiracy) in like the case in Silsbee, self defense might not be a legal option in my opinion.