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You are correct.....West Hardin won 5 - 4.......

We are to be prepared and we are expected to defend The Word anytime and anyplace....... 1 Peter 3:14-16English Standard Version (ESV) 14 But even if you should suffer for righteousness' sake, you will be blessed. Have no fear of them, nor be troubled, 15 but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect, 16 having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame God gave the commands it is our duty to obey Him.....if Romans 9 is a stand alone Scripture, then where does Grace enter the picture??? The thief on the cross lived under the Mosaic Law, plus Christ had already made the claim that He could forgive sin while on Earth if He so chose.... Matthew 9:6English Standard Version (ESV) 6 But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”—he then said to the paralytic—“Rise, pick up your bed and go home.” According to God's Word, if you aren't baptized believing that baptism is the point where your sins are washed away, you are not saved.......your argument is with God, not me.....

They are not works on our part.....They are commands from God which must be obeyed if one is to be given the free gift of God's Grace.......you have taken one verse to show your false belief while ignoring the Scripture that shows you to be in error.....Acts 22:16 and I Peter 3:21 show clearly that baptism is required right along with Luke 13:3 and Acts 2:38 showing repentance is required......if you ignore the commands from God that you don't like, you are an unbeliever by definition as well......

You left out repentance and baptism.......God included them in HIS Plan of redemption.......Luke 13:3.....Acts 2:38....Mark 16: 15-16......I Peter 3:21.......Acts 22:16...... you also left out living faithful lives until our death....Revelation 2:10.......

I use the English Standard TRANSLATION.......

Yes it is, when all they have to do is study His Word and DO WHAT HE SAID TO DO.....

I looked that up....sounds like a good read......I'm going to order it and read it WITH an open Bible to make sure that he's teaching The Truth.....(Acts 17: 11)........

YOU said that......I said that I am a member of the Lord's Church that worships and works at Colmesneil church of Christ.....we make sure we are properly applying God's Word by doing what he commended the Bereans for doing in Acts 17: 11.......not all people who are in congregations of the Lord's Church are properly using and applying His Word, either.......in fact, very few will be saved, and those few are the ones who follow God's Word and DO WHAT HE SAID TO DO........ Matthew 7: 13 - 14; 21 - 23

If someone understands Scripture and applies it properly, they would not BE a catholic priest.........those "fundamentalist Christians" are not understanding or applying Scripture properly if they are members of man-made denominations and not of the Church founded by Jesus.......

Certainly....I don't belong to any of the man-made denominations......I'm a member of the Lord's Church....I worship and work with the congregation of the Lord's people who meet together at Colmesneil church of Christ.........

It is only a "huge stretch" in the mind of an atheist or agnostic......people of faith have no problem understanding God's Word........

Translation..... the rendering of something into another language or into one's own from another language. Interpretation..... an explanation of the meaning of another's artistic or creative work; an elucidation: Translation is acceptable......Interpretation is not......Translation does not add to or take from God's meaning....Interpretation does add to or take from God's meaning........ Your final question is absurd since it attempts to use the definition of interpretation to describe a translation.....try again, though.....this is fun......

That's why you were in a denomination instead of the Lord's Church.....too much "interpretation" and subjectivity and not enough faith in God and the FACT that He said exactly what he means.........reading scripture and backing that passage up with more scripture is how we are to handle God's Word.......if your preacher is doing anything else but that, you are not in a congregation of the Lord's Church....... We go to Worship on Sunday because of the example we get from the book of Acts and the letters of Paul.....we worship God in the manner HE showed us to worship Him.......there is no command or example for "Sunday School" to be added, and it's not forbidden, so you have "Sunday School" as an extra time to attempt to LEARN God's Word and God's Will........

No irony or interpretation at all.......Job called them the "pillars of the earth".....I can look at a graphic view of the continental shelves and know what "pillars of the earth" mean today....that is translation, not interpretation......in fact, here's a picture for you....looks a lot like pillars........translation is not interpretation.......

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We don't get to "interpret" God's Word.......men trying to "interpret" God's Word is what has caused all the division and denominations.....I don't "pick and choose" to take some scripture literally and others not....GOD chose that in the manner He revealed it to us......You either believe God, or you don't.......simple as that......and if you are someone who feels the need to "interpret" God's Word, they you, by definition, do not believe......ergo: you are either an atheist or an agnostic by definition......

We have all that we need to show us God's path for redemption from sin...... 2 Peter 1:3English Standard Version (ESV) 3 His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to[a] his own glory and excellence, Those "gospels" that you claim have been left out are fakes and hoaxes......all written well after the First Century when the Divine Inspiration of the Holy Spirit was revealing God's Word to those Christians and they were writing it down for us...... I don't choose some Scripture as literal and some not.... God chose to reveal it that way and I don't question Him....the responsibility of anyone trying to find God's Will is to do what Paul told Timothy which I posted above.......it's not hard.... I don't interpret the Bible...we do not GET to interpret God's Word.....He spoke it, we believe it just like it is......when we "interpret" it, it becomes subject to whomever "interprets" it and becomes full of contradictions....when it is taken at face value without any attempts at "interpretation" there are no contradictions and we know that we are reading His Words........there are the real answers to your "valid" questions......

Job 9:6English Standard Version (ESV) 6 who shakes the earth out of its place, and its pillars tremble; a very poetic description of an earthquake.........

The book of Job describes several scientific concepts in poetic language..... The terminator, the line between night and day, which implies knowledge of the fact that the earth is round, not flat: Job 26:10English Standard Version (ESV) 10 He has inscribed a circle on the face of the waters at the boundary between light and darkness. We also get a poetic insight as to how the earth appears from space, something which no-one at that time could know unless it were revealed to them by God..... Job 26:7English Standard Version (ESV) 7 He stretches out the north over the void and hangs the earth on nothing. We see the expanding universe, which man just discovered last century described: Job 9:8English Standard Version (ESV) 8 who alone stretched out the heavens and trampled the waves of the sea; We are taught that the stars have their own signals, give out their own frequencies.... Job 38:7English Standard Version (ESV) 7 when the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy? The Bible is not the book you atheists and agnostics want the rest of us to believe that it is....it IS the Word of God, revealing His plan for man's redemption from sin.....thanks for the opportunity to share these insights from His Word.....

2 Timothy 2:15English Standard Version (ESV) 15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth. Rightly handling the Word means reading it contextually and with proper grammar and discerning from those which parts are literal and which parts are poetic...the Bible was given to us by God to be understood....all one has to do is read it with an open mind to find God's Truth....... NOWHERE in the Bible does it say that the earth is flat....the pillars of the earth are the continental shelves....and in our perception, that does NOT move...... as for the sea monsters, have you ever heard of dinosaurs??? Leviathan sounds very much like a pliosaurus..... try again, though....I love sharpening my skills in debates with you atheists and agnostics.....

Lumberton.....

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Only when the Bible is taken in it's proper grammatical and contextual form can you get God's meaning....the problem is that men think they have the right to "interpret" God's Word....when that occurs, the message becomes subjective to each man's "interpretation" instead of the objective Word of God......the ONLY ones who are right and correct are those who don't "interpret" God's Word, but take it at face value....God meant what God said, and we don't get to "interpret" or change it because some things may make us uncomfortable.....and the major proof, in fact the only proof that I need that it is God's Word is when men try to "interpret" it, there are contradictions....in it's pure, proper, grammatical and contextual form the Bible has no contradictions whatsoever......so to show someone they are teaching error and falsehood, all one needs to do is show them where their teaching causes a contradiction in God's Word......and every single man-made denomination is full of contradictory teaching......

Big Sandy.....

Last time I checked, the Catholics and Jews believed that The Bible is the Word of God, too........